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  • From: <mdnagel@verizon.net>
  • To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Price of Ferilizer/fuel
  • Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:01:01 -0500 (CDT)

The devil is in the details.

That waste water comes from where? And how far does it have to be pumped?
(NOTE: 10% of all of California's energy is consumed pumping water; this
isn't a small issue.) More infrastructure, means more long-term maintenance.

What might be displaced by such facilities? Keep in mind that nothing truly
is "wasteland:" everything developed to a certain state as a result of
balance; what affects would any large-scale change on such "wasteland" occur?

There is, and never will be, a concentrated energy source like fossil fuels
(unless you want to hang around for a few million years). Algae-based fuels
or any other non-mineral fuels, and even a combination of all, will not be
able to match existing and future demands. And keep in mind that the
workhorse, fossil fuels, will continue in decline, which leaves us facing an
inevitable and ever-increasing energy gap.

ALL energy sources were in some way, most in a large way, the product of
solar gain. One cannot speed up this process, be it mineral fuels or
otherwise, without it costing energy in the process: think tar sands
(speaking of which, they didn't think that their operations would have any
significant impact on the lands up there in Canada; well, they were clearly
wrong).

Algae would only perpetuate the faulty transportation-based/centralize food
system that we now have. Sure, one could advocate that such energy sources
be produced and used locally, but do you really think that that would happen?
Not as long as the current "free market" system is operating (and is able to
subsidize the externalized costs of scaling up such energy sources).


-Mark Nagel
Everett, WA


From: anna Lorrai <cactusandquail@yahoo.com>

I'm not going to argue with you fellows. I just think you're not getting my
point. Biofuel from algae doesn't take away from our food source and it can
be grown on waste water. it's efficient in my opinion. So if that's your
reality, that's fine, but I would like to see a new reality. Anna




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