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Re: [Livingontheland] Limits of macrobiotic/vegan point of view (was Re: Growing your own food - all of it)
- From: su do <speakingbeareturns@yahoo.com>
- To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Limits of macrobiotic/vegan point of view (was Re: Growing your own food - all of it)
- Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:37:59 -0800 (PST)
I'm not advocating going all grain. Certainly the
terrain should dictate best farming practices. BTW
Linux??? I'm not a tech savy person :+)
--- Harvey Ussery <boxwood@nelsoncable.com> wrote:
> >
> > Many ppl can live on a macrobiotic diet which
> consists
> > mosty of grain. ~su do [Love your handle--gotta
> be a Linux gal/guy, right?]
>
> I appreciate the concern for wise agricultural
> resource use that lies
> behind, this statement, su do. Frances Moore Lappe
> got us all thinking
> along these lines with DIET FOR A SMALL PLANET--"ten
> pounds of grain for
> one pound of flesh" and all that. But Lappe wasn't a
> farmer, and was
> completely blind to some fundamental facts of
> resource use. There are
> real-world situations in which eschewing meat as
> "wasteful" and growing
> for a diet "which consists mostly of grain" either
> ignores potential
> resources or is a disaster in practice. Examples:
> *You have a sloped field you want to produce food
> on. Plow it to grow
> those oh-so-efficient grains to feed people, and it
> will erode
> disastrously. OTOH, you can plant fruit trees on
> that slope, and graze
> sheep on the mixed-pasture groundcover. Oh, and
> let's throw in some
> geese--both they and the sheep are grazers, but
> select different plant
> species by preference, hence more efficiently
> utilize the resource.
> *You have an existing forest. The "efficient grains"
> point of view
> dictates cutting it down and plowing. But getting
> rid of forest has
> *serious* cascading consequences. Maybe smarter to
> turn in pigs and
> turkeys to forage and fatten on the abundant acorns,
> leaving in place a
> diverse and valuable ecology? (Which can also be
> used to grow medicinal
> and culinary herbs, edible and medicinal mushrooms,
> nuts and berries, on
> and on.)
> *You have areas in shrubby growth. You can plow them
> all--to grow
> grains--and destroy habitat for countless species
> essential for
> ecological balance. [This is not hypothetical
> fancy--I'm simply talking
> about "conventional" agriculture here.] Or you can
> leave that habitat in
> place, and browse goats there. As long as you don't
> over-browse, you
> keep ecological diversity in being while using the
> space as a
> food-producing resource (milk and meat).
>
> I could multiply examples all day, if it would help
> change the
> persistent mantra that grain production is *always*
> more "efficient,"
> less "wasteful." Wise land use always fits the
> production model to the
> existing ground/climate/other conditions--never the
> reverse.
>
> ~Harvey
>
> --
> Harvey in northern Va
> www.themodernhomestead.us
>
> "Can't you see those dark clouds gathering up ahead?
> They're gonna wash this planet clean, like the Bible
> said.
> Now you can hold on steady, try to get ready,
> But everybody's gonna get wet--
> Don't think it won't happen just because it hasn't
> happened yet!" (Jackson Browne)
>
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[Livingontheland] Limits of macrobiotic/vegan point of view (was Re: Growing your own food - all of it),
Harvey Ussery, 01/26/2008
- Re: [Livingontheland] Limits of macrobiotic/vegan point of view (was Re: Growing your own food - all of it), TradingPostPaul, 01/26/2008
- Re: [Livingontheland] Limits of macrobiotic/vegan point of view (was Re: Growing your own food - all of it), Ken Hargesheimer, 01/26/2008
- Re: [Livingontheland] Limits of macrobiotic/vegan point of view (was Re: Growing your own food - all of it), su do, 01/27/2008
- Re: [Livingontheland] Limits of macrobiotic/vegan point of view (was Re: Growing your own food - all of it), bruce smith, 01/27/2008
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