Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["TradingPostPaul" <tradingpost@riseup.net>]

Any discussion of feeding the world needs to avoid getting into
overpopulation debate, ok? 

paul tradingpost@lobo.net

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On 9/5/2006 at 9:43 PM Mark Nagel wrote:

>"Falling" fertility rates means nothing/zero/nada!  This is a one-sided
>statement in a multi-dimensional problem.  Decreasing death rates (median
>age at death) can significantly alter any gains in decreased fertility
>rates.  Further, these statements are sorely lacking a time component. 
>Any changes must, at a minimum, be calculated over the course of one
>generation; not until a full generation has been stable will the effects
>be seen: translation: it will take roughly 70 years after net population
>changes are established before populations stabilize.
>
>For more information on how this all works I encourage people to catch one
>of Dr. Albert Barlett's lectures.  The gist is that overpopulation IS the
>problem, and that it's far more pervasive than you think.
>
>And feeding MORE people isn't going to become easier through some magic of
>switching over to organic processing.  Organics will happen because of
>dwindling fossil fuels (that is, unless one happens to think that this is
>also some big conspiracy theory).
>
>
>-Mark Nagel
>Everett, WA
>
>
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>From: Carrie Shepard <carrieshepard@yahoo.com>
>Date: 2006/09/05 Tue AM 08:27:02 CDT
>To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
><livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] World May Be Up for A Drastic Shortfall
>In     Food Stocks
>
>No offense Marty,     But this is exactly the sort of propaganda writing
>that makes me want to scream.  I bet the author of this article is also
>just blindly or happily doing what he thinks is right in his own eyes and
>totally suckered into UN agenda 21.     There's not a shortage of land,
>there's no overpopulation, there IS laziness and ignorance in abundance,
>and going vegetarian is the quickest way to insure that less people are
>born and more people die sooner rather than later as it's the perfect way
>to ruin the fertility of women and men.  Fertility rates are falling, not
>rising.  Most people who go vegetarian can't afford all organics and lots
>of young women end up with anemia from it.  In years past women were able
>to concieve and give live birth to children into their 50's, and now women
>are going into menopause in their late 30's or having hysterectomies
>because of all the health problems they're uneducated about how to heal
>themselves.  We've also seen an increase o
> f people with rare blood problems -- something I'm told could be a
>combination of the contaminants in the food supply along with the whole
>chemtrail and pesticide spraying going on around us.</div>  <div> </div> 
><div>A bigger threat to the food supply is the UN's agenda 21 because it's
>talons are everywhere teaching children that the trees deserve to live
>more than they do and that they should just let the 'experts' do
>everything for them.  Keep an eye on the child obesity and legal drugging
>and rising child suicide rates if you don't believe me.     On my home
>front, just across the street 7 years ago was a parcel of farmland.  That
>piece of land was subdivided, utilities and roads added, then sold at 3
>times the cost per acre for people with mobile homes.  It's only 2 or 3
>years old and those people are now forced to buy and pay for a city sewer
>system -- at some point it was annexxed to the city of which we live just
>outside the city limits.  So, the septic systems that 
> they haven't finished paying the mortgage on will just be there, but
>they're forced to hook up to the city water.  In trying to figure this
>out, I found out about the Economic Development Authorities that have
>sprung up all over the US from the UN's sending facilitators into the city
>councils and basically creating a new government.  It's not your local
>city council making the main decisions anymore folks, it's this backdoor
>activity that's really calling the shots and driving up the costs of
>living and land.  Metro and regional government is taking over
>transforming society.     There are huge new brick homes not 30 minutes
>from where I live that have no space to grow food, only a little tiny
>postage stamp lawn and when we drive past them we're struck by how
>ignorant it is to voluntarily live in places like this with such
>artificially inflated prices and a total inability to do anything but rely
>on someone else for food and energy.  Now I understand it's the UN agenda
>to ur
> banize and get everyone off the land that drove these developments.
></div>  <div> </div>  <div>It doesn't take much land to grow enough
>chickens or have enough eggs for your family, just a little know-how and
>the liberty to do so (all those new urbanized developments have covenants
>to prevent you growing your own food so they can get a contract with a
>supermarket for them and guaranteed shoppers),    
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