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[OFEX] Scionwood

From: "Biz Storms" <biz.storms@sympatico.ca>
To: "'Ontario Fruit Explorers'" <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: [OFEX] Scionwood
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:47:42 -0500

Good morning to all.

Please excuse the mass email, but it just seemed logical and easier. I have also added a few questions to the group at the bottom.

For Joe C – I can certainly include an extra stick of Ashmead’s in Joe’s package. It will go out in the next week or two.

For Scott – I will be back up at the farm this weekend to gather wood and will have a look at: Kerr Crab, Dolgo Crab, Moscow Pear, Macoun, and Scugog. I wonder if your reference to Rescue Scugog on the same line is a typing error or if there is a Rescue Scugog that’s new. I do have a Scugog, but not a Rescue, since it was trounced by the deer. I can guarantee that the Ashmead’s has enough scionwood to fill many requests. Do you have any Chestnut Crab in your collection? It has grown very well for me in Zone 4, has been almost trouble-free for scab and mildew, and has a wonderful sprightly, yet almost rich taste. It also bloomed and fruited like a bandit the past two years. I sampled a few in Michigan last September, and they were about 2 1/2" in diameter, and were crunchy and crisp with a slightly fruit/nutty flavour. I could have eaten twenty instead of just the three. Mine were smaller than his, but we also had that heat and drought working against the efforts of a four year old tree.

The remaining varieties on your list will need to be sourced elsewhere – try Margie, Eric at Siloam ( although he sells trees, not scionwood ), Bree Eagle or Derry Walsh out west.

John – I am working on a source for Pixie Crunch. ( nothing yet confirmed, though) Shall I see if I can get two pieces instead of just one? ;-)

Questions

I saved seeds from several red flesh varieties to grow out into seedlings / graft onto mature tree for faster fruiting / see what kind of apples I get. Instead of getting tucked safely into the fridge in early December, they were accidentally stored inside a cupboard and are now bone dry. Can I still put them into the fridge to stratify, then try and get them to sprout? Or not bother and waste time? Whadayathink? Tom, this seems to be in your area of knowledge.

We are going to invest in some drip-lines that can be moved from row to row throughout the orchard, plus a length that can be left for the season along the trellis. Any comments or info on the Lee Valley system? Any other manufacturers that you’ve heard about?

Cheers to all.

Bizmark.

-----Original Message-----
From: labruscagrape-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:labruscagrape-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Scott Dolson
Sent: January 15, 2008 1:05 PM
To: labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [OFEX] LabruscaGrape Digest, Vol 42, Issue 1

Hello Biz;

If you have some of the following, then please let me know. Thanks in advance.
Scott

Alexis
Arctic Red
Cowichan
Kerr
Veitch's Scarlet
Trail
Dolgo
Moscow Pear
Rescue Scugog ( red flesh )
and Simcoe

Also;
Macoun
Sekel Pear
Ashmeads Kernel

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Today's Topics:

   1. Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,     and a few misc

      questions. (Biz Storms)

   2. Re: Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles, and a few misc

      questions. (Thomas Olenio)

   3. Re: Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles, and a few misc

      questions. (Joe Boles)

   4. Re: Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles, and a few misc

      questions. (biz.storms@sympatico.ca)

   5. Re: Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles, and a few misc

      questions. (Biz Storms)

   6. Re: Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles, and a few misc

      questions. (John Barbowski)

   7. Re: Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles, and a few misc

      questions. (Burt Dunn)

   8. Re: Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles, and a few misc

      questions. (Biz Storms)

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Message: 1

Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:31:18 -0500

From: "Biz Storms" <biz.storms@sympatico.ca>

Subject: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,   and a few misc

  questions.

To: "'Ontario Fruit Explorers'" <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>

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http://www.bienmanger.com/2R336_Potager_Roi_Apples.html

Good morning and Happy New Year!

I hope everyone had a great holiday season and your gardens and orchards are

surviving the recent weather.

My newly rediscovered abundance of free time has led to some web browsing.

It's fun, but very time addictive. Whilst attempting to locate info on the

De L'estre apple, I stumbled my way into the apples of Versailles. There's

no actual mention to when the varieties on the list actually date to - other

than the reference to the 1680's - but it makes for an interesting read. I'm

intending to take a closer look on the weekend with a big cup of tea in

hand.

To shift the topic somewhat, I am heading out into the orchard this weekend

to take advantage of the reduced snow levels, and warmer temps, to gather

scionwood. I have already listed a batch for Margie and the Genebank - (

Margie, I hope your foot is feeling better from the surgery! ), but can

easily snip extra wood for fellow members. Does anyone need anything? We

have been hit hard in the last few weeks by the bloody jackrabbits but the

older trees with higher branches have not been so badly ravaged as the

younger trees. The wildlife guys tell us that the jackrabbits will be bad

for another year or two, or three, since the coyote population is lighter.

Any suggestions on improving the amorous activities of coyotes? Fortunately,

the Plantskydd Spray is still proving to be successful in discouraging the

deer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays that way.

DNA Gardens has also grabbed my attention, specifically the Sea buckhorn

(thorn?), honeyberries and shrub cherries. Any advice, experience, or

suggestions? We placed an order last year but managed to fry many of the

plants in the green house by accident. ( We'll certainly remember Bert's

trick with the car polish next year. ) We are working up some ideas on what

to plant along 80 feet of fencing - to act as edible landscaping for birds

and humans, incorporates winter interest (likely some tractor seat

sculptures and shrubs like Harry's Walking stick and coppiced willow) and is

hardy to zone 4 and handles full sun. Anyway, we are going to place another

order soon, and would welcome any feedback. Saskatoons are also on the

potential list.

That's all for this morning. And, since it's the month when the postman

brings neat things to read almost every day - happy plant and seed catalogue

browsing.

Cheers, Bizmark.

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Message: 2

Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:10:41 -0500

From: "Thomas Olenio" <tolenio@sentex.net>

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,       and a few

  misc questions.

To: "'Ontario Fruit Explorers'" <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>

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Hi Biz,

I have taken to wrapping my trees with fiberglass window screening.  Just

wrap it around a few times and tie in place with bailing twine.  This way

you get multiple layers of protection, as high as you want, that allows the

tree bark to breathe.  Spiral plastic wraps sometimes hold moisture, and

moisture can mean fungus.

Grapes get a cage made of chicken wire.  Just place a tomato cage over the

vine when you plant it, then wrap the tomato cage with chicken wire.  My

first trellis wire is at the top of the tomato cage and I simply affix the

top of the tomato cage to the trellis wire and it stays upright always.

You can never count on coyotes.  I am affiliated with a dog rescue, so if

you want a jack rabbit control dog I will find you one with a high prey

drive.  Usually good for rabbits, ground hogs, suirrels, etc (whatever chews

at your patience).  My older brother called these pest animals "hot lunch"

for dogs.

Later,

Tom

-----Original Message-----

From: labruscagrape-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org

[mailto:labruscagrape-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Biz Storms

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:31 AM

To: 'Ontario Fruit Explorers'

Subject: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,and a few misc

questions.

http://www.bienmanger.com/2R336_Potager_Roi_Apples.html

Good morning and Happy New Year!

I hope everyone had a great holiday season and your gardens and orchards are

surviving the recent weather.

My newly rediscovered abundance of free time has led to some web browsing.

It's fun, but very time addictive. Whilst attempting to locate info on the

De L'estre apple, I stumbled my way into the apples of Versailles. There's

no actual mention to when the varieties on the list actually date to - other

than the reference to the 1680's - but it makes for an interesting read. I'm

intending to take a closer look on the weekend with a big cup of tea in

hand.

To shift the topic somewhat, I am heading out into the orchard this weekend

to take advantage of the reduced snow levels, and warmer temps, to gather

scionwood. I have already listed a batch for Margie and the Genebank - (

Margie, I hope your foot is feeling better from the surgery! ), but can

easily snip extra wood for fellow members. Does anyone need anything? We

have been hit hard in the last few weeks by the bloody jackrabbits but the

older trees with higher branches have not been so badly ravaged as the

younger trees. The wildlife guys tell us that the jackrabbits will be bad

for another year or two, or three, since the coyote population is lighter.

Any suggestions on improving the amorous activities of coyotes? Fortunately,

the Plantskydd Spray is still proving to be successful in discouraging the

deer. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays that way.

DNA Gardens has also grabbed my attention, specifically the Sea buckhorn

(thorn?), honeyberries and shrub cherries. Any advice, experience, or

suggestions? We placed an order last year but managed to fry many of the

plants in the green house by accident. ( We'll certainly remember Bert's

trick with the car polish next year. ) We are working up some ideas on what

to plant along 80 feet of fencing - to act as edible landscaping for birds

and humans, incorporates winter interest (likely some tractor seat

sculptures and shrubs like Harry's Walking stick and coppiced willow) and is

hardy to zone 4 and handles full sun. Anyway, we are going to place another

order soon, and would welcome any feedback. Saskatoons are also on the

potential list.

That's all for this morning. And, since it's the month when the postman

brings neat things to read almost every day - happy plant and seed catalogue

browsing.

Cheers, Bizmark.

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Message: 3

Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:07:30 -0500

From: "Joe Boles" <jo.bo@rogers.com>

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,       and a few

  misc questions.

To: "Ontario Fruit Explorers" <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>

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Biz:

I would appreciate a stick of Ashmead's Kernal if available.

    with thanks, Joe

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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:37:57 +0000

From: biz.storms@sympatico.ca

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,       and a few

  misc questions.

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Joe

No problem with Ashmead's. Can you send me your mailing address? I have been ruthlessly purging files to clear out clutter and years of stuff lefting lying around.

Cheers. Bizmark.

Biz Storms

-----Original Message-----

From: "Joe Boles" <jo.bo@rogers.com>

Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:07:30

To:"Ontario Fruit Explorers" <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,

  and a few misc questions.

Biz:

I would appreciate a stick of Ashmead's Kernal if available.

??? with thanks, Joe

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Message: 5

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:21:41 -0500

From: "Biz Storms" <biz.storms@sympatico.ca>

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,       and a few

  misc questions.

To: "'Ontario Fruit Explorers'" <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>

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Tom,

Hot Lunch?   Yucky but descriptive!

I think I'll pass on another dog since we already have three. Thanks for

your offer, but my hands are full for the moment.

A few visits on the weekend revealed that our place is the only one that's

been hit by the jackrabbits, and none of us have had any deer coming by and

hitting last year's growth. Score one for the Plantskydd, and one for the

hares at Shakerhill. They went along the lowest ties of the espalier like

eating corn on the cob - except for where we'd applied the nasty white paint

with the bitter stuff. The only way to feel calm about their activity is

that we'd planned to hard prune almost all the trees that they'd chomped.

The remaining ones we will replace or return to the nursery for another two

years.

Nothing like a mini thaw to get you thinking about spring activities.

Cheers, Bizmark.

-----Original Message-----

From: labruscagrape-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org

[mailto:labruscagrape-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Olenio

Sent: January 10, 2008 1:11 PM

To: 'Ontario Fruit Explorers'

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,and a few misc

questions.

Hi Biz,

I have taken to wrapping my trees with fiberglass window screening.  Just

wrap it around a few times and tie in place with bailing twine.  This way

you get multiple layers of protection, as high as you want, that allows the

tree bark to breathe.  Spiral plastic wraps sometimes hold moisture, and

moisture can mean fungus.

Grapes get a cage made of chicken wire.  Just place a tomato cage over the

vine when you plant it, then wrap the tomato cage with chicken wire.  My

first trellis wire is at the top of the tomato cage and I simply affix the

top of the tomato cage to the trellis wire and it stays upright always.

You can never count on coyotes.  I am affiliated with a dog rescue, so if

you want a jack rabbit control dog I will find you one with a high prey

drive.  Usually good for rabbits, ground hogs, suirrels, etc (whatever chews

at your patience).  My older brother called these pest animals "hot lunch"

for dogs.

Later,

Tom

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Message: 6

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:13:59 +0000

From: John Barbowski <jbarbowski@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles, and a few

  misc questions.

To: Ontario Fruit Explorers <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>

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Hello Bizmark, I have been catching up a bit on the emails and am pondering your offer of scionwood. I have some Bud9 rootstock on order and have a couple of extras for my whimsical moments. If you have spare cuttings of and of the following, I'd very much appreciate them: Cox's Orange Pippen Macoun Richelieu

Joe Boles has kindly offered some Seckel Pear scions - but if you also have them, it would save a bit of trouble.

As for your coyotes, they usually follow a typical predator - prey relationship. It takes a couple of years for the coyotes to gear up to the increase in their food supple.

If you have the scions, they may be mailed to me at:

23 Gretman Cres

Thornhill, Ont

L3T 5L9

Thank you for your consideration.

john b

 >  but can> easily snip extra wood for fellow members. Does anyone need anything? We> have been hit hard in the last few weeks by the bloody jackrabbits but the> older trees with higher branches have not been so badly ravaged as the> younger trees. The wildlife guys tell us that the jackrabbits will be bad> for another year or two, or three, since the coyote population is lighter.> Any suggestions on improving the amorous activities of coyotes?

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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:53:24 -0500

From: "Burt Dunn" <helbert@idirect.com>

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,       and a few

  misc questions.

To: "Ontario Fruit Explorers" <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>

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Biz, have you tried Scoot for your rabbits?

Works for me- so easy to apply       Bert

Bert Dunn  Box 352   Schomberg   L0G 1T0    zone 4b/5a

www.littlefatwino.com/bertslist

From: "Biz Storms" <biz.storms@sympatico.ca>

To: "'Ontario Fruit Explorers'" <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:21 AM

A few visits on the weekend revealed that our place is the only one that's

been hit by the jackrabbits, and none of us have had any deer coming by

and

hitting last year's growth. Score one for the Plantskydd, and one for the

hares at Shakerhill. They went along the lowest ties of the espalier like

eating corn on the cob - except for where we'd applied the nasty white

paint

with the bitter stuff. The only way to feel calm about their activity is

that we'd planned to hard prune almost all the trees that they'd chomped.

The remaining ones we will replace or return to the nursery for another

two

years.

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Message: 8

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:21:02 -0500

From: "Biz Storms" <biz.storms@sympatico.ca>

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles,       and a few

  misc questions.

To: "'Ontario Fruit Explorers'" <labruscagrape@lists.ibiblio.org>

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Hi John,

I can help you out with Macoun, and will check what the Cox's looks like.

The rabbits nailed what little growth went on the Richelieu - check and see

if Margie has anything for Richelieu. Unfortunately, I only have three

pairs, and none are Seckel. Sorry about that.

I'll fire scionwood off to you next week.

Who have you managed to secure Bud 9 from? Traas Rootstock out in BC

retired, so it has been very slim pickings from what I hear.

Cheers, Bizmark.

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From: labruscagrape-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org

[mailto:labruscagrape-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of John Barbowski

Sent: January 14, 2008 2:14 PM

To: Ontario Fruit Explorers

Subject: Re: [OFEX] Scionwood plus Apples of Versailles, and a few misc

questions.

Hello Bizmark,

I have been catching up a bit on the emails and am pondering your offer of

scionwood. I have some Bud9 rootstock on order and have a couple of extras

for my whimsical moments. If you have spare cuttings of and of the

following, I'd very much appreciate them:

Cox's Orange Pippen

Macoun

Richelieu

Joe Boles has kindly offered some Seckel Pear scions - but if you also have

them, it would save a bit of trouble.

As for your coyotes, they usually follow a typical predator - prey

relationship. It takes a couple of years for the coyotes to gear up to the

increase in their food supple.

If you have the scions, they may be mailed to me at:

23 Gretman Cres

Thornhill, Ont

L3T 5L9

Thank you for your consideration.

john b

 but can

easily snip extra wood for fellow members. Does anyone need anything? We

have been hit hard in the last few weeks by the bloody jackrabbits but the

older trees with higher branches have not been so badly ravaged as the

younger trees. The wildlife guys tell us that the jackrabbits will be bad

for another year or two, or three, since the coyote population is lighter.

Any suggestions on improving the amorous activities of coyotes?

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Re: [OFEX] LabruscaGrape Digest, Vol 42, Issue 1, Scott Dolson, 01/15/2008
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  - [OFEX] Scionwood, Biz Storms, 01/21/2008
    - Re: [OFEX] Scionwood, Thomas Olenio, 01/21/2008
    - Re: [OFEX] Scionwood, John Barbowski, 01/22/2008