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Don Rua wrote:
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Czeiszperger" <michael AT czeiszperger.org>
> 
> > Doesn't bother me either.  What bothers me is the double standard
> > regarding Clinton's use of the same.
> >
> 
> I thought about that comparison as well, but still see differences:
> 
> Clinton says: "I smoked weed, but I didn't inhale." (I think - It just
> doesn't pass the sniff test. When I hear that, I feel I've been directly
> lied to.)
> 
> Bush says: "I refuse to answer any questions about drug use." ( I think  -
> Okay, the guy probably did something in his youth, but he's not telling.
> My
> curiosity is piqued, but he's not lying nor trying to play loose with the
> meanings of words. If the voters don't like his refusal to answer, they
> can
> vote their heart, and he takes that chance, but he didn't go lawyer on us
> like Bill.)
> 
> [An actual quote by Bush on the topic from Time magazine: "As I understand
> it, the current FBI form asks the question, 'Did somebody use drugs within
> the last 7 years?' and I will be glad to answer that question, and the
> answer is no."]

Actually as someone who has been through the process, the questions you are
asked are based on the level of clearance you are given.  The most basic
level is something like form SF-85p or the Position of Public Trust
Questionnaire and possibly the SF-85p-s supplement.  This is not a clearance
at all, but basically makes sure you are okay to be doing business with or
to hold certain positions of public trust.

On that questionnaire it will ask for the past 7 years.  The 85p-s asks a
bit more detail on drugs and breaks out alcohol from drugs and includes a
few more questions such as:  Since the age of 16 or in the past 7 years
whichever is shorter, have you ever used drugs...  and "Have you ever used
drugs while employed as a law enforcement officer, prosecutor, or while
having a security clearance or while being in a position affecting public
safety.  Depending on the dates of drug and alcohol use/abuse, W might have
trouble with a form 85p-s.

On a security clearance form like SF-86 you are again asked for 7 years, but
the investigators can go back 10 or 12 years - or more if they have reason
to.  And you are warned up front that anyone of significance in the past 10
years of your life will be interviewed personally or via telephone.  In
these cases I think W would have an issue.  

On higher level clearances, they may also ask for a "Lifestyle" Polygraph
which will ask something to the effect of "Have you ever used illegal drugs"
and other questions to that effect.  They also will ask in depth questions
related to anything that comes up on the exam.  Frequently, crimes are
discovered in this process and sometimes even prosecuted.  Many companies
warn you of this before you begin the process.  I doubt the President has to
take these, but I wonder if his nominees to certain positions shouldn't be
required to given the fate of some recent nominees.

Anyway, for all those interested, these are levels of clearance I can find
on the forms I have here.

1C or 2C - Federal 
3C or 4C - Federal 
5C or 6C - Federal 
ADP 1 
ADP 2 
CIA Lifestyle Polygraph 
COMSEC 
CONFIDENTIAL 
Cosmic Top Secret - ATOMAL/CTSA 
DEA Clearance 
DISA 
DISCO 
DOD 
DOD Lifestyle Polygraph 
DOD Secret 
DOD - Top Secret SSBI 
DOE - Nuclear 
DOE - C 
DOE - L 
DOE - Q 
DOJ - NACI 
DOJ - Sensitive 
DOJ - Secret 
DOJ - Top Secret 
EBI - Extended Background Investigation 
FAA Clearance 
FBI 
Foreign Government Information 
Industrial Clearance 
Inactive Clearance 
Inactive Top Secret Crypto 
Interim Secret 
Interim Top Secret 
Interim TS / SCI 
IRS - MBI 
ISSA / CISSP 
MBI (IRS) 
NAC 
NASA 
NATO 
NATO Secret 
NSA Lifestyle Polygraph 
Position of Public Trust 1C 
Position of Public Trust 2C 
Position of Public Trust 3C 
Position of Public Trust 4C 
Position of Public Trust 5C 
Position of Public Trust 6C 
Polygraph - Counterintelligence 
Polygraph - Full Scope / Lifestyle 
SAR 
S - Secret 
Secret COMSEC 
Secret SBI 
SIDA - Secured Identification Defense Area 
SAP - Special Access Programs 
SBI - Special Background Investigation 
SCI - Special Compartmented Intelligence 
SSBI - Single Scope Background Inv. 
Technology 
TS - Top Secret 
Top Secret-Crypto 
Top Secret-Crypto SCI / TK / G / HCS-P 
Top Secret-Final / Crypto / Polygraph 
Top Secret-SCI / SBI 
Top Secret-SCI / HSC 
Top Secret-SCI / SI / TK 
Top Secret-SCI / SI / TK / G / B 
Top Secret-SCI / SI / TK / G / HCS 
Top Secret-SCI / SIOP 
Top Secret-SCI / SSBI 
Top Secret-SBI-TS/SBI 
Top Secret-CISP-TS/CISP 
Top Secret-ISSA-TS/ISSA 
Top Secret-SAP-TS/SAP 
Top Secret-SCI-CI polygraph-TS/SCI/CI Poly 
Top Secret-SCI-Full/Scope Lifestyle-TS/SCI Lifestyle Poly 
Top Secret-SCI-TS/SCI 
Top Secret-SSBI-TS/SSBI 
Top Secret-SCI /SSBI / SI / TK 
Top Secret-SCI / TK / G / HCS / CI Poly 
Top Secret-SCI / TK / G / Lifestyle Poly 
Top Secret-SCI / SSBI / CI Poly 
Top Secret-SI / TK / B / + 
Top Secret-SSBI / CI Poly 
Top Secret-SSBI / SCI / TK / G / HCS 
Top Secret-SSBI / Lifestyle Poly 
Top Secret-SSBI / SCI 
Top Secret-SSBI / SCI/ SI / TK / G 
Top Secret-SSBI / SCI / SI / TK / G / B / HCS 
Top Secret-SSBI / SCI / TK / HCS 
Top Secret-SSBI / SCI-B 
Top Secret-EBI 
Top Secret-SCI - SI / TK / G / HCS / I / P 
Top Secret-CISP - TS / CISP 
Top Secret-ISSA - TS / ISSA 
Top Secret-SAP - TS / SAP 
Top Secret-SCI - CI Poly - TS / SCI / CI Poly 
Top Secret-SCI - Full / Scope Lifestyle - TS / SCI Lifestyle 
Top Secret-SCI - TS / SCI 
Top Secret-SSBI - SCI / TK / B / HCS / CI - Poly 
Top Secret-SSBI - TS / SSBI 
US Citizen 
US Customs 
US Treasury Clearance 
USPS 
VR 
Yankee Fire 
Yankee White


> 
> >>I listened to the full quote, and if memory serves he paraphrased the
> bible quote "will he who is without sin cast the first stone", implying
> he thinks gays are immoral.
> 
> I see the implication, but I rarely interpret the phrase in that manner.
> If
> someone said, Michael C is a jerk because of X, Y, Z, I might shoot the
> "without sin" quote at them, regardless of whether I have any opinion or
> knowledge about you. Especially so if the critic was very religious. It's
> just a killer reply to Christians when they want to moralize, since it is
> a
> quote from Jesus.
> 
> I did find the following insight from Clinton special counsel, Lanny
> Davis,
> interesting:
> ( http://differentriver.com/archives/2005/01/21/true-confessions-a-
> democrat-
> likes-gwb/ )
> ****************But despite what you may have heard or read, George was
> not
> just frat-house party boy. One of my most vivid memories is this: A few of
> us were in the common room one night. It was 1965, I believe - my junior
> year, his sophomore. We were making our usual sarcastic commentaries on
> those who walked by us. A little nasty perhaps, but always with a touch of
> humor. On this occasion, however, someone we all believed to be gay walked
> by, although the word we used in those days was "queer." Someone, I'm
> sorry
> to say, snidely used that word as he walked by.
> 
> George heard it and, most uncharacteristically, snapped: "Shut up." Then
> he
> said, in words I can remember almost verbatim: "Why don't you try walking
> in
> his shoes for a while and see how it feels before you make a comment like
> that?"
> 
> Remember, this was the 1960s - pre-Stonewall, before gay rights became a
> cause many of us (especially male college students) had thought much
> about.
> I remember thinking, "This guy is much deeper than I realized."
> *****************
> 
> 
> Don
> 
> "I'm the one that has to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live
> my
> life, the way I want to" - JMHendrix
> 
> 
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