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Bush advocated flat-out lying to his (and everyone else's) children in order 
to achieve a laudable goal, to avoid serving as a negative role model in the 
arena of illegal recreational drugs. (He could not hide his drunk driving 
record, as it is public.) He traded one negative for another -- lying is not 
a "good" thing even though it may be expedient. (As a liar, he remains true 
to his character, as many believe that is exactly how Group W talked us into 
invading Iraq, regardless of the laudability of the goal, er, goals. Has 
anyone done a rundown of the plethora of "good reasons" given since we 
overthrew that government? I wonder what the _real_ reason was.)

I reached majority in the mid 70s, and was an enthusiastic member of my 
generation. However, I did not model deception as I brought up my daughter, 
and I must say that she certainly seems to have a good grip on the 
recreational drug culture and drugs (including alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, 
and self-induced endorphin buzzes). I could look her in the eye and say, 
"been there, done that, saw what happened," and she actually listened to me. 
In fact, I'd stack her behavior and maturity and good sense against anyone's 
/decieved/ children without qualm.

(I hope I haven't jinxed it, but at 22 she's a little old to change her 
spots.)

~B


-----Original Message-----
From: Don Rua <rua AT mindspring.com>
Sent: Mar 1, 2005 10:55 PM
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        "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/"; 
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Subject: Re: [internetworkers] George W. Bush - stoner


>
<http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=7682264>
>
> Ok, so Bush likes to burn one every now and then... nothing wrong with
> that.

That fact that someone from my generation smoked weed is about the most
uninteresting part of the story to me.

I found two things much more interesting:

1) That while being secretly taped, he stated that he didn't want to answer
the question outright, because it would set an example for the youth. It is
not fantasy that we have people today whose attitudes have been influenced
about whether oral sex is sex, because of Clinton's example. There are quite
a few activities I partook of during the 60s and 70s that I wouldn't want my
sons, or my students (when I was a teacher), doing. I don't feel that is
hypocrisy, but rather maturity. I would never tell my children they were
'evil' if I caught them doing drugs, but neither would I want them wondering
why they shouldn't try some meth, or ex, or other pop drug if their parent
did before them.

"No, what I said was I wouldn't fire gays. I'm not gonna discriminate
against people."-Bush

2) That he was vocal in his conviction to not discriminate against gays, and
sent direct messages to that effect. Yes, he talked about a desire to get
the christian vote, but what of it? Does anyone think for a minute that he
didn't talk about strategies to get women voters, black voters, hispanic
voters, jewish voters, etc.? People have said that Bush won because of
moving the 'evangelicals' to vote. ("...the man who got elected president by
virtue of his appeal to the evangelical, christian,...") Well, that implies
that their numbers are sufficient to pull serious weight, which would number
them in not just a few millions. So, by extension, there are millions of
people who are not worthy of being listened to. I know, not a revelation
I've uncovered, but a stated conviction of folks like Dean who say the right
is evil.
    Starting about '64, a distaste towards prejudice and bigotry was
indoctrinated into me by my father, a civil rights proponent. He didn't say
I should hate bigots, but just that they were ignorant and afraid. And
sadly, the bigotry I see towards "dumb redneck, red state, bible-toting
neanderthals', the evil to Dean's good, has me feeling like the party is
hypocritical, or at least made an about-face on tolerance and respect for
others.

The secret tapes showed a more human Bush, driven to be sure, but not
maniacally, and in some respects, more thoughtful that he's given credit
for.

Don

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