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[Ian Meyer <ianmeyer AT gmail.com>]

As i read somewhere recently, its OK that we lost.

Really, it is. 

Because when Johnny does in Iraq, at least he know that those damn
gays can't get married. (In 11 states at least).


~ian


On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:47:35 -0500, Mark Rushing <markrushing AT gmail.com> 
wrote:
> I would like to believe that, but I think recent events have shown
> that what really needs to be done is the following:
> 
> 1. Stroke nationalist ego
> 2. Scare people
> 3. Convince people that God wants it that way
> 4. Rig the system
> 
> If you do it in the name of God it's not so bad.
> 
> In reality you are correct.  Liberals are not selling it.  I'm not
> sure how we can't convince people to want security, prosperity, peace
> and health.  You'd think it would be going like hot cakes.
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:35:52 -0500, Shea Tisdale <shea AT sheatisdale.com> 
> wrote:
> > The problem is that we must compete in the marketplace of ideas and
> > personae, and in both cases we have failed this time around.  And to carry
> > it further I believe that we have really been failing for quite a while.
> >
> > The Democratic party needs to really do some self examination and develop 
> > a
> > coherent strategy that puts critical issues into the forefront and ties 
> > them
> > into the self-interest of the common person.  Until that happens, I think 
> > we
> > will continue to suffer defeat.
> >
> > - Shea Tisdale
> >
> > Every generation has an obligation to improve the world.
> > -
> > http://www.rykodisc-media.com/billhicks/
> > -
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:internetworkers-
> > > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Rushing
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 3:54 PM
> > > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Re: Liberals and Shea
> > >
> > > I like to be helpful.  Don't conservatives believe that people fill
> > > the roles you give them.  If you assign intellectual arrogance to us
> > > we'll be intellectually arrogant just like when you try to help poor
> > > mothers feed their children it will make them crack whores.  We can
> > > call it intellectual welfare if you want.
> > > I do hope that you understand that I'm being fairly sarchastic.  The
> > > only reason I quote Boethius is because The Consolation of Philosophy
> > > seemed appropriate as it deals specifically with how pilosophy can
> > > console us when we see the world being run by idiots and asses.
> > > "It is hardly surprising if we are driven by the blasts of storms when
> > > our chief aim on this sea of life is to displease wicked men.  And
> > > though their numbers are great, we can afford to despise them because
> > > they have no one to lead them and are carried along only by ignorance"
> > > You see I'm really being more morally arrogant than anything.
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:35:00 -0500, Dan Wilson <sipacate AT hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow,  I was grateful to know I wasn't the only one out there. Your
> > > argument
> > > > was logical and cohesive. All it lacked was Real World Proof. Then
> > > whaddya
> > > > know, MarkRushing to the rescue.
> > > >
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