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  • From: David R.Matusiak <dave AT matusiak.org>
  • To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Bloody Pulpit: a question
  • Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 00:16:18 -0500

here is someone who has seen it. and she has a pretty good opinion, too.

http://www.nyunews.com/artsandentertainment/film/6967.html

/drm

On Thursday, March 4, 2004, at 02:29 PM, Shea Tisdale wrote:

I think it was on slate first, but my favorite review/commentary out of all this is whoever called it The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre.  There must be at least 10 sites now that refer to it by that name.

I think a lot of the hoopla is by people who haven’t seen it or won’t see it but want to have an opinion nonetheless.  Sort of like all those people who protested The Last Temptation of Christ because it was heresy...even though they never saw it to make that determination.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Rua
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 20041:42 PM
To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Bloody Pulpit: a question

Disclaimer: I haven't seen The Passion yet, but have a pretty good idea of what's being highlighted in the press and discussions. I do plan to see it. I've spent several years in a Baptist congregration, 3 years of Catholic school, visited backwoods 'charismatic' churches, and wrote an A+ paper refuting five major arguments for the existence of a supreme being.

My comment, is that for someone who's spent a year as part of a Baptist church, the big deal about the gory details comes as 'ho hum'. I've heard a sermon or two, where an hour is devoted to descriptions of the type of whip used, the force necessary to rip skin or drive a nail through the hand, the effects on the muscles of carrying a crucifix of X pounds over Z yards, etc. Perhaps I've had a few twisted preachers, or perhaps that's the norm, I haven't taken a survey. I assume that to appreciate a price paid, it's not unreasonable to occasionally review a detailed accounting of the price, no? However, what intrigues me is the hoopla over the gore for this movie.

It sounds like a graphic depiction of pain and suffering, which there's little doubt went on at some level at the hands of Roman enforcers, upon some 'undesireables'. In movies, I've seen people get ripped in two in Gladiator. I saw Hoffman get his teeth drilled right through the nerve (Is it safe?). I've seen bodies hacked, fed into a meat grinder, burned over a slow fire, tortured, etc. Has no one seen a zombie movie? So, they show Jesus getting some rough treatment. I'm not getting the big deal.

If you don't believe it happened to Jesus, put it in the fantasy category you use for Freddy Krueger, Jason, and Michael Myers. If you think it did happen to Jesus, why be surprised to see it re-enacted? Will it be difficult to watch some scenes? From what I hear, probably yes, but then so were scenes from Dawn of the Dead, the killing in American X, and movies about concentration camps. "Kids", now that's a disturbing movie, focused on events happening today, with a fraction of the discussion Mel's getting. Maybe folks just enjoy debating the JC/SurpremeBeing issues, in any form or forum.

PS- Why does anyone care what Mel's dad thinks? I have relatives that think Jerry Lewis is funny, have been to AP prison, or believe aluminum bats should be in the major leagues. We all have idiocy in our family somewhere.

Don




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