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["Josep L. Guallar-Esteve" <jlguallar AT maduixa.net>]

On Thursday 20 March 2003 12:3612pm, Maria C Winslow wrote:
> I love Dell! My laptop cover cracked. I called yesterday about 4:30.
> The technician just left, and I have a new cover. I'm happy!

I've heard this goos stories about Dell laptops for a while. Now, they 
just need to sell PowerBooks under the Dell brand with Linux installed.

Oh, well. Widhfull thinking.


Salut,
Josep
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:09:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Panhandlers in Chapel Hill
From: David Minton <dminton AT mindspring.com>
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While not attempting to Flame Bait, what is so wrong with this
recommendation. I don't really see this as a restriction of free speech.
This Proposed Amendment only effects people actively soliciting money at
night. It specifically exempts musicians/artists (as long as they are
performing, and not actively soliciting money). It also does not seem to
effect political speech.

David

> Proposed Amendments
> -------------------
> Prohibition of Roadway Solicitation.  A State statute, NCGS 20-175(b),
> prohibits persons on roadways, shoulders, or medians from soliciting
> employment, business, or contributions from the driver or occupant of a
> vehicle if such action =B3impedes the normal movement of traffic on the pub=
lic
> highways or streets.=B2   Current Town Code Section 11-170(e) similarly ban=
s
> roadway solicitation which impedes traffic.  The State statute and our
> ordinance have been enforced only when the solicitor physically slowed,
> stopped, or otherwise visibly affected the flow of traffic. The proposed
> amendment would forbid solicitation from a shoulder or median even if the
> solicitor did not step into the roadway and overtly affect traffic flow. =
 This
> proposal is in response to citizen complaints and police observation that=
 such
> solicitation diverts drivers=B9 attention and creates a public safety hazar=
d.
>=20
> Regulation of Nighttime Panhandling
> -----------------------------------
> The current Town ordinance on aggressive panhandling, Section 11-170, inc=
ludes
> various manner and place restrictions, including that begging should not =
be
> repeated, persistent, obstructive, or intimidating, and that begging shou=
ld
> not take place near ATMs, banks, bus stop signs, or on public transportat=
ion.
> Panhandling in these manners or places is inherently intimidating to the
> person being approached.  The proposed amendment adds a time restriction =
=AD
> nighttime =AD because night panhandling is also inherently intimidating to =
many
> people.  Nevertheless, a panhandler who wishes to beg at night would have
> alternatives: he/she may panhandle, day or night, on any private property=
 if
> the owner does not object, as the ordinances apply only to public places;
> he/she may panhandle, day or night, in public places so long as he does n=
ot
> make a spoken request for immediate contributions or thrust a written req=
uest
> at a person.  Additionally, the proposal would not bar such actions as ho=
lding
> up a written sign, or leaving a guitar case open while performing, etc.

=20



On 3/20/03 3:56 PM, "K. Jo Garner" <kelly AT metalab.unc.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Paul Jones wrote:
> ->If you live some place else, you need not sign.
>=20
> But you still *can* sign, if you live somewhere else and you frequent
> Chapel Hill businesses. Part of this proposed amendment is the implicit
> "people aren't going downtown because they're afraid of the panhandlers"
> or "what's the public perception of our town when the first thing people
> see on the 15-501 exit are panhandlers"?
>=20
> I'm in Chapel Hill every week, sometimes more than once a week. I used to
> live there for 8 years or so. I drop a bunch of money at Linda's (probabl=
y
> more than I should) and Breadmen's and Cosmic. I get more irritated at th=
e
> screaming high school car wash kiddies on E Franklin and the
> firefighters/leukemia/insert-cause-here people rushing out into 4 lane
> traffic to collect money from cars who are at a stoplight. I wonder if
> this is passed if those organisations will receive equal scrutiny.
>=20
> Cheers
> KJ
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