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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Caswell" <tjcaswel AT unity.ncsu.edu>
To: <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [internetworkers] RE: InterNetWorkers digest, Vol 1 #183 - 5
msgs


> I think some program you recently installed dragged along an IE package.
> Similar to Gator but instead of just watching your surfing habits it
> actually modifies IE with a new search page, redirection, etc.  Gator will
> remove itself if nothing on your system uses it but I'm not sure about
this
> new wave of spyware.
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Steele" <Steve AT mindbenderstudios.com>
> To: <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:54 AM
> Subject: [internetworkers] RE: InterNetWorkers digest, Vol 1 #183 - 5 msgs
>
>
> > Need browser help. When ever I click on a link that is broken
> > instead of getting a 404, I get redirected to a porn page.
> > Here is the link that I am sent to:
> > http://www.xupiter.com/search2error.html
> >
> > I looked in the temp folder, cookies folder, Temporary Internet
> > Files folder but I can't seem to find the redirect file. I've
> > deleted the cache, history and cookies. Can anyone advise me?
> >
> > Thank in advance
> > Steve S.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Subject: InterNetWorkers digest, Vol 1 #183 - 5 msgs
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. [Insensitive Response to:] A sad day for NASA, US and the World
> (David
> > R. Matusiak)
> >    2. Re: where your job is headed ... (David R. Matusiak)
> >    3. Re: where your job is headed ... (Jeff Bacon)
> >    4. Re: where your job is headed ... (Shea Tisdale)
> >    5. Re: where your job is headed ... (pawelka)
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:52:23 -0500
> > From: "David R. Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org>
> > To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [internetworkers] [Insensitive Response to:] A sad day for
NASA,
> US
> > and the World
> > Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> > ** don't read any further if you cannot handle gruesome commentary **
> >
> > please forgive my crass reaction to this new tragedy (which i waited
> > hours to think about posting), but is this not simply the latest in a
> > string of horrific events designed to distract the American public from
> > what greater evil is being fostered in Washington D.C.?
> >
> > i hate to turn the suffering of victims/families/whatnot into a
> > political gambit, but i am just too suspicious of our "leadership"
> > these days.
> >
> > the reason i decided to send this message ties in closely with what
> > Salon did post 9/11.  they allowed anyone to send in (what were
> > considered to be) "Taboo reactions" to that tragedy.  i don't think
> > they were released until a year or so afterwards, so there was some
> > time to cool down.  however, as i read thru these peoples comments, i
> > was at times repulsed by what i read and at other times completely in
> > agreement with the sentiment of the words of another.
> >
> > here is my taboo response at 10:08 a.m. (after receiving David's
> > message):
> >
> > "Were the crew members Democrats?"
> >
> > which has grown into "Did any of the crew have Democratic leanings
> > and/or show promise of being a Democratic leader in the future?"
> >
> > this is not that far-fetched, considering the spotlight that John Glenn
> > (and others, like Neil Armstrong) have garnered in the past.
> >
> > Please remember the late Senator Paul Wellstone while attempting to
> > keep all this in perspective.  <
> > http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14399 >
> >
> > notice how the white house and DoD are adamantly rushing to assure the
> > public that "this was DEFINITELY NOT an act of terrorism."  is that
> > them simply not wanting to lose credit for their violent actions to
> > some lesser terrorist group like Hamas or El Queso?
> >
> > My heart goes out to those suffering and mourning, but i'm afraid i
> > have lost my personal capacity to mourn any more.  now i just want
> > answers.  in a fashion very similar to a CPU, i only want validated
> > incoming data.  there is no time to get hung up on emotional processes.
> >   there is no time to suffer the distractions of our Televised World.
> >
> > they have reached such a level of control and sophistication that "The
> > Truth" will soon be so deeply buried that even archeologists a thousand
> > years from now will NOT be able to discover the perpetrators of such
> > atrocities.
> >
> > please do not waste your time attempting to paint me as some whacko
> > conspiracy theorist.  if that were the case, i'd be trying to show you
> > that the crew of the Columbia included the "First Israeli in Space" and
> > that the wreckage fell predominantly in the area of Palestine, TX.
> >
> > EOF
> > --
> >
> > On Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 09:51  AM, David Minton wrote:
> >
> > > It was just announced on NPR that the Space Shuttle Columbia broke up
> > > over
> > > Texas a little after 9am this morning. The shuttle and crew are
> > > understood
> > > to be lost.
> > >
> > > No web stories yet, though I am sure it will hit the major news sites
> > > shortly.
> > >
> > > David
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:44:03 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
> > From: "David R. Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org>
> > To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> > more alignment than discord lies herewithin:
> >
> > On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 08:45  AM, Roger Austin wrote:
> >
> > > David R. Matusiak wrote:
> > >> now we're all a bunch of ungrateful whiners 'cause we are watching
> > >> our potentials for making a decent living go to countries/societies
> > >> that most likely don't give a damn about the United States (besides
> > >> sucking money out of us, that is).
> > >
> > >  I didn't say you were "ungrateful".
> > /implied
> > > I don't see a point in whining about something out of your control, or
> > > perhaps, not even true. Is the apparent lack of jobs in your area due
> > > to outsourcing to other countries? I don't think so. You (not you DRM,
> > > but the general you) got to deal with reality of the situation.
> > the *lack* of jobs is from the burst of the tech bubble and a
> > perpetually dismal economy in the USA.  what i am "whining" about is
> > the soon-to-come major absence of *new* jobs being created within the
> > USA -- in ANY sector.  as far as stimulating growth and rebuilding the
> > economy, many execs will wind up with great wealth as a result of these
> > decisions and certain foreign countries will experience great financial
> > gains, but the average american is going to be jobless, hopeless, and
> > prone to investigate illegal means of making money (or acquiring food,
> > for that matter).  i will let your imagination wander as to which
> > illegal trades people will wind up choosing.
> >
> > as to the "reality of the situation," i have a limited grasp of reality
> > and can only report that which i see in person and/or read on google
> > news.  this version of reality includes major layoffs and bankruptcies
> > over the past three years.  i've also heard of a few accounting
> > scandals that left many penniless and others rich as dick cheney.  i
> > hear of cisco and nortel layoffs every 36 hours by special pager
> > service (and they are two of our biggest employers).  i have seen the
> > hiring freeze at the state level first hand.  i also understand that
> > state employees have not received any pay increases in the last two
> > years while taxes of all kinds continue to increase and multiply.  it
> > was especially fun to realize that state employees will again not
> > receive any type of pay increase THIS YEAR, as we were all kindly
> > informed of via form letter delivered right before christmas.  my
> > reality includes a vision where 1/3 to 1/2 of my friends are jobless,
> > have been for 6 to 36 months.  and these are people who want to work
> > *and* are talented at what they do.  now, i know this is a skewed view
> > of reality, but its currently the best that i've got.
> > >
> > >> we'll i guess if one had lived the majority of their life already and
> > >> were watching income potentials dwindle, then this would be a popular
> > >> party line.
> > >
> > >  Actuarially speaking, my life is about 66% over; however, I got a few
> > > prime years remaining and hope to work in the IT world for a while
> > > longer. Is my career in jeopardy due to outsourcing to foreign
> > > countries? Probably not anywhere near those of lower skilled workers
> > > from Western North Carolina in the textiles, furniture, and other
> > > manufacturing industries. In comparison, I have a lot better chance of
> > > getting another job than an upholsterer from Hickory or a weaving
> > > mechanic from Morganton. However, some of that luck is due to
> > > constantly taking classes and being involved. You are doing that in
> > > the OrangeRoom thing which I admire greatly.
> > i appreciate the compliment, but we are but a mere few interested geeks
> > that could soon meet with unfortunate ends via aeroplane or "boating
> > accident" because of our interests in Open Source Software.  these are
> > dangerous times we are living in and each day it becomes increasingly
> > obvious that those in most danger are educated, outspoken, and in
> > opposition to the status quo.
> > >
> > >> but for the few of us that work our asses off and /still/ are waiting
> > >> for a decent wage, this economic news isn't so comforting.  oh, great
> > >> - i can go back to business school and accumulate /more/ student
> > >> loans!!  (still haven't paid off the previous ones).  then *I* can be
> > >> an impotent middle-manager, too!!
> > >
> > >  Listen dammit, that impotent thing was just a rumor. Just ask...er,
> > > never mind.
> > >  I spent the last few decades working my ass off too. Sometimes it was
> > > noticed and sometimes I was a grunt in the backroom. All that is
> > > irrelevant today when the business looks for younger talent and looks
> > > at older employees as liabilities. That is of more interest to me than
> > > whether Rajiv is taking my job away to Bombay.
> > and this is where our perspectives dovetail nicely to create a
> > semblance of agreement.  there is more and more proof that age
> > discrimination is hurting our larger population of older workers.  you
> > are very astute to see this as a threat to your earning potentials in
> > the years to come.  while i may not be whining about this today, i
> > certainly will in the future.  and my concerns are only multiplied when
> > i see public policy and corporate hucksterism work together to exclude
> > the American worker in the future - regardless of talent,
> > qualification, or circumstance.
> > >
> > >> p.s. i really like giving our money away to foreign countries while
> > >> US citizens continue to struggle with poverty, malnutrition and
> > >> illiteracy.
> > >
> > >  It ain't your money. Poverty, malnutrition, and illiteracy were
> > > invented in the 3rd world. Our poor would be middle class in >
> Bangalore.
> > this i don't understand.  while there are bad situations the world
> > over, if more than a third of my income goes to taxes and social
> > programs, well, then it *still* is my money.  and i get absolutely NO
> > SAY in how that money is spent or allocated.  i don't know if others
> > have safeguarded measures to keep this money in their pockets -or-
> > failing that, have direct control over how it is spent, but i'd bet
> > that information would make a NYTimes bestseller list.
> >
> > --
> > "Take my word I'm a madman don't you know."  - Bernie Taupin, 1970
> > --
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:38:41 -0500
> > From: Jeff Bacon <bacon AT twinight.org>
> > To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
> > Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 10:08:20PM -0500, Bill Geschwind wrote:
> > > Offensive strategy? Imagine how much money the taxpayer could save if
we
> > > could outsource 'The Army of One' to a country in the region of the
> > > conflict. No need to deploy our local boys halfway around the globe.
The
> > > savings in transportation costs alone would be staggering!
> >
> > That's a good idea, but that would be getting ahead of ourselves;
> > we are still a young empire and still hold some naive notions
> > about rights and freedoms and stuff like that. Employing
> > mercenaries wholesale to outsource the death and bloodshed
> > is a more advanced topic in empire-building. Give it a bit.
> >
> > -bacon
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 4
> > From: "Shea Tisdale" <shea AT sheatisdale.com>
> > To: <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
> > Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:44:17 -0500
> > Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Geschwind" <geschwin AT email.unc.edu>
> > To: <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:08 PM
> > Subject: RE: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
> >
> >
> > Offensive strategy? Imagine how much money the taxpayer could save if we
> > could outsource 'The Army of One' to a country in the region of the
> > conflict. No need to deploy our local boys halfway around the globe. The
> > savings in transportation costs alone would be staggering!
> >
> > - Bill
> >
> > Bill, we've analyzed just this type of scenario and yes we could save a
> > staggering amount, but the quality control just goes to hell.
> >
> >
> >
> > --__--__--
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun,  2 Feb 2003 10:47:02 -0500
> > From: "pawelka" <pawelka AT intrex.net>
> > To: <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
> > Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> > IBM has, in fact, moved its L2 Web site support to India. This would be
> > where you call if you encounter problems while browsing/buying from the
> > ibm.com site. AFAIK, they have not been "americanised" in any way beyond
> the
> > ability to speak english. Communication can still be difficult.
> >
> > Lynn
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: Scott Russell <scottrus AT ipass.net>
> > Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:35:23 -0500
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 10:18:48PM -0500, Chris Hedemark wrote:
> > > On 1/30/03 8:56 PM, "David R. Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org> wrote:
> > > I know that some big blue company in the area that shall remain
nameless
> > is
> > > guilty of this, too (moving jobs to India, IIRC).
> > >
> > > Indian workers are often given American sounding names, given voice
> > training
> > > to help shake the accent, they get to watch American satellite TV to
> learn
> > > our culture, etc.  The whole idea being when you call tech support
your
> > call
> > > may be connected to someone in India but you're not supposed to be
able
> to
> > > tell.
> >
> > I worked in the Big Blue server group few years as L2 helpdesk support.
We
> > were based in RTP and I know the group still is. (it makes good sense to
> put
> > your L2 server team on the same campus with your development and product
> > engineering teams.) IBM has call centers world wide for a long time now
> and
> > to my knowledge no one ever has had "Americanization" training.
> >
> > That's not to say that IBM hasn't moved some jobs to .in and .cn in the
> past
> > and will most likely continue to do so given the economic trends.
> >
> > --
> >   Scott
> >   Do not trifle with me, I have eaten 104 brains.
> >
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> > Never ask a man what sort of computer he drives. If
> > it's a Mac, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?
> >                                          -- Tom Clancy
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