Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/

[internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org (Tom Caswell)]

I think some program you recently installed dragged along an IE package.
Similar to Gator but instead of just watching your surfing habits it
actually modifies IE with a new search page, redirection, etc.  Gator will
remove itself if nothing on your system uses it but I'm not sure about this
new wave of spyware.

Tom
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From: "Steve Steele" <Steve AT mindbenderstudios.com>
To: <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:54 AM
Subject: [internetworkers] RE: InterNetWorkers digest, Vol 1 #183 - 5 msgs


> Need browser help. When ever I click on a link that is broken
> instead of getting a 404, I get redirected to a porn page.
> Here is the link that I am sent to:
> http://www.xupiter.com/search2error.html
>
> I looked in the temp folder, cookies folder, Temporary Internet
> Files folder but I can't seem to find the redirect file. I've
> deleted the cache, history and cookies. Can anyone advise me?
>
> Thank in advance
> Steve S.
>
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>    1. [Insensitive Response to:] A sad day for NASA, US and the World
(David
> R. Matusiak)
>    2. Re: where your job is headed ... (David R. Matusiak)
>    3. Re: where your job is headed ... (Jeff Bacon)
>    4. Re: where your job is headed ... (Shea Tisdale)
>    5. Re: where your job is headed ... (pawelka)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:52:23 -0500
> From: "David R. Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org>
> To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [internetworkers] [Insensitive Response to:] A sad day for NASA,
US
> and the World
> Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> ** don't read any further if you cannot handle gruesome commentary **
>
> please forgive my crass reaction to this new tragedy (which i waited
> hours to think about posting), but is this not simply the latest in a
> string of horrific events designed to distract the American public from
> what greater evil is being fostered in Washington D.C.?
>
> i hate to turn the suffering of victims/families/whatnot into a
> political gambit, but i am just too suspicious of our "leadership"
> these days.
>
> the reason i decided to send this message ties in closely with what
> Salon did post 9/11.  they allowed anyone to send in (what were
> considered to be) "Taboo reactions" to that tragedy.  i don't think
> they were released until a year or so afterwards, so there was some
> time to cool down.  however, as i read thru these peoples comments, i
> was at times repulsed by what i read and at other times completely in
> agreement with the sentiment of the words of another.
>
> here is my taboo response at 10:08 a.m. (after receiving David's
> message):
>
> "Were the crew members Democrats?"
>
> which has grown into "Did any of the crew have Democratic leanings
> and/or show promise of being a Democratic leader in the future?"
>
> this is not that far-fetched, considering the spotlight that John Glenn
> (and others, like Neil Armstrong) have garnered in the past.
>
> Please remember the late Senator Paul Wellstone while attempting to
> keep all this in perspective.  <
> http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14399 >
>
> notice how the white house and DoD are adamantly rushing to assure the
> public that "this was DEFINITELY NOT an act of terrorism."  is that
> them simply not wanting to lose credit for their violent actions to
> some lesser terrorist group like Hamas or El Queso?
>
> My heart goes out to those suffering and mourning, but i'm afraid i
> have lost my personal capacity to mourn any more.  now i just want
> answers.  in a fashion very similar to a CPU, i only want validated
> incoming data.  there is no time to get hung up on emotional processes.
>   there is no time to suffer the distractions of our Televised World.
>
> they have reached such a level of control and sophistication that "The
> Truth" will soon be so deeply buried that even archeologists a thousand
> years from now will NOT be able to discover the perpetrators of such
> atrocities.
>
> please do not waste your time attempting to paint me as some whacko
> conspiracy theorist.  if that were the case, i'd be trying to show you
> that the crew of the Columbia included the "First Israeli in Space" and
> that the wreckage fell predominantly in the area of Palestine, TX.
>
> EOF
> --
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 09:51  AM, David Minton wrote:
>
> > It was just announced on NPR that the Space Shuttle Columbia broke up
> > over
> > Texas a little after 9am this morning. The shuttle and crew are
> > understood
> > to be lost.
> >
> > No web stories yet, though I am sure it will hit the major news sites
> > shortly.
> >
> > David
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:44:03 -0500
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
> From: "David R. Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org>
> To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> more alignment than discord lies herewithin:
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 08:45  AM, Roger Austin wrote:
>
> > David R. Matusiak wrote:
> >> now we're all a bunch of ungrateful whiners 'cause we are watching
> >> our potentials for making a decent living go to countries/societies
> >> that most likely don't give a damn about the United States (besides
> >> sucking money out of us, that is).
> >
> >  I didn't say you were "ungrateful".
> /implied
> > I don't see a point in whining about something out of your control, or
> > perhaps, not even true. Is the apparent lack of jobs in your area due
> > to outsourcing to other countries? I don't think so. You (not you DRM,
> > but the general you) got to deal with reality of the situation.
> the *lack* of jobs is from the burst of the tech bubble and a
> perpetually dismal economy in the USA.  what i am "whining" about is
> the soon-to-come major absence of *new* jobs being created within the
> USA -- in ANY sector.  as far as stimulating growth and rebuilding the
> economy, many execs will wind up with great wealth as a result of these
> decisions and certain foreign countries will experience great financial
> gains, but the average american is going to be jobless, hopeless, and
> prone to investigate illegal means of making money (or acquiring food,
> for that matter).  i will let your imagination wander as to which
> illegal trades people will wind up choosing.
>
> as to the "reality of the situation," i have a limited grasp of reality
> and can only report that which i see in person and/or read on google
> news.  this version of reality includes major layoffs and bankruptcies
> over the past three years.  i've also heard of a few accounting
> scandals that left many penniless and others rich as dick cheney.  i
> hear of cisco and nortel layoffs every 36 hours by special pager
> service (and they are two of our biggest employers).  i have seen the
> hiring freeze at the state level first hand.  i also understand that
> state employees have not received any pay increases in the last two
> years while taxes of all kinds continue to increase and multiply.  it
> was especially fun to realize that state employees will again not
> receive any type of pay increase THIS YEAR, as we were all kindly
> informed of via form letter delivered right before christmas.  my
> reality includes a vision where 1/3 to 1/2 of my friends are jobless,
> have been for 6 to 36 months.  and these are people who want to work
> *and* are talented at what they do.  now, i know this is a skewed view
> of reality, but its currently the best that i've got.
> >
> >> we'll i guess if one had lived the majority of their life already and
> >> were watching income potentials dwindle, then this would be a popular
> >> party line.
> >
> >  Actuarially speaking, my life is about 66% over; however, I got a few
> > prime years remaining and hope to work in the IT world for a while
> > longer. Is my career in jeopardy due to outsourcing to foreign
> > countries? Probably not anywhere near those of lower skilled workers
> > from Western North Carolina in the textiles, furniture, and other
> > manufacturing industries. In comparison, I have a lot better chance of
> > getting another job than an upholsterer from Hickory or a weaving
> > mechanic from Morganton. However, some of that luck is due to
> > constantly taking classes and being involved. You are doing that in
> > the OrangeRoom thing which I admire greatly.
> i appreciate the compliment, but we are but a mere few interested geeks
> that could soon meet with unfortunate ends via aeroplane or "boating
> accident" because of our interests in Open Source Software.  these are
> dangerous times we are living in and each day it becomes increasingly
> obvious that those in most danger are educated, outspoken, and in
> opposition to the status quo.
> >
> >> but for the few of us that work our asses off and /still/ are waiting
> >> for a decent wage, this economic news isn't so comforting.  oh, great
> >> - i can go back to business school and accumulate /more/ student
> >> loans!!  (still haven't paid off the previous ones).  then *I* can be
> >> an impotent middle-manager, too!!
> >
> >  Listen dammit, that impotent thing was just a rumor. Just ask...er,
> > never mind.
> >  I spent the last few decades working my ass off too. Sometimes it was
> > noticed and sometimes I was a grunt in the backroom. All that is
> > irrelevant today when the business looks for younger talent and looks
> > at older employees as liabilities. That is of more interest to me than
> > whether Rajiv is taking my job away to Bombay.
> and this is where our perspectives dovetail nicely to create a
> semblance of agreement.  there is more and more proof that age
> discrimination is hurting our larger population of older workers.  you
> are very astute to see this as a threat to your earning potentials in
> the years to come.  while i may not be whining about this today, i
> certainly will in the future.  and my concerns are only multiplied when
> i see public policy and corporate hucksterism work together to exclude
> the American worker in the future - regardless of talent,
> qualification, or circumstance.
> >
> >> p.s. i really like giving our money away to foreign countries while
> >> US citizens continue to struggle with poverty, malnutrition and
> >> illiteracy.
> >
> >  It ain't your money. Poverty, malnutrition, and illiteracy were
> > invented in the 3rd world. Our poor would be middle class in >
Bangalore.
> this i don't understand.  while there are bad situations the world
> over, if more than a third of my income goes to taxes and social
> programs, well, then it *still* is my money.  and i get absolutely NO
> SAY in how that money is spent or allocated.  i don't know if others
> have safeguarded measures to keep this money in their pockets -or-
> failing that, have direct control over how it is spent, but i'd bet
> that information would make a NYTimes bestseller list.
>
> --
> "Take my word I'm a madman don't you know."  - Bernie Taupin, 1970
> --
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 19:38:41 -0500
> From: Jeff Bacon <bacon AT twinight.org>
> To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
> Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 10:08:20PM -0500, Bill Geschwind wrote:
> > Offensive strategy? Imagine how much money the taxpayer could save if we
> > could outsource 'The Army of One' to a country in the region of the
> > conflict. No need to deploy our local boys halfway around the globe. The
> > savings in transportation costs alone would be staggering!
>
> That's a good idea, but that would be getting ahead of ourselves;
> we are still a young empire and still hold some naive notions
> about rights and freedoms and stuff like that. Employing
> mercenaries wholesale to outsource the death and bloodshed
> is a more advanced topic in empire-building. Give it a bit.
>
> -bacon
>
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>
> Message: 4
> From: "Shea Tisdale" <shea AT sheatisdale.com>
> To: <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
> Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:44:17 -0500
> Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Geschwind" <geschwin AT email.unc.edu>
> To: <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
>
>
> Offensive strategy? Imagine how much money the taxpayer could save if we
> could outsource 'The Army of One' to a country in the region of the
> conflict. No need to deploy our local boys halfway around the globe. The
> savings in transportation costs alone would be staggering!
>
> - Bill
>
> Bill, we've analyzed just this type of scenario and yes we could save a
> staggering amount, but the quality control just goes to hell.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun,  2 Feb 2003 10:47:02 -0500
> From: "pawelka" <pawelka AT intrex.net>
> To: <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] where your job is headed ...
> Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
>
> IBM has, in fact, moved its L2 Web site support to India. This would be
> where you call if you encounter problems while browsing/buying from the
> ibm.com site. AFAIK, they have not been "americanised" in any way beyond
the
> ability to speak english. Communication can still be difficult.
>
> Lynn
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Scott Russell <scottrus AT ipass.net>
> Reply-To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:35:23 -0500
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 10:18:48PM -0500, Chris Hedemark wrote:
> > On 1/30/03 8:56 PM, "David R. Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org> wrote:
> > I know that some big blue company in the area that shall remain nameless
> is
> > guilty of this, too (moving jobs to India, IIRC).
> >
> > Indian workers are often given American sounding names, given voice
> training
> > to help shake the accent, they get to watch American satellite TV to
learn
> > our culture, etc.  The whole idea being when you call tech support your
> call
> > may be connected to someone in India but you're not supposed to be able
to
> > tell.
>
> I worked in the Big Blue server group few years as L2 helpdesk support. We
> were based in RTP and I know the group still is. (it makes good sense to
put
> your L2 server team on the same campus with your development and product
> engineering teams.) IBM has call centers world wide for a long time now
and
> to my knowledge no one ever has had "Americanization" training.
>
> That's not to say that IBM hasn't moved some jobs to .in and .cn in the
past
> and will most likely continue to do so given the economic trends.
>
> --
>   Scott
>   Do not trifle with me, I have eaten 104 brains.
>
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