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Date:   Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:21:51 -0400
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Subject: Get back to work--beyond Y2k to Two-Tier Agriculture
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Yeah, the U.S. equivalent of the low-input and ancient Mediterranean
olive-grove, Spanish chestnut grove upstairs, grazing downstairs.

This should be the objective of all us hammock and mint-julet types.
Just listening to Bev and Lynn packing forty-eight hours into a twenty
four hour day is exhausting. Think cows.  Think hogs with rings in their
noses.  Think how nice it would be if they did most of the work a few
years down the road when the hammock and mint-julep sounds even better
than it sounds today.

Plantcher pecans, plantcher chestnuts, plantcher black walnuts,
carpathians, heartnuts (and butternuts up north).

After you install irrigation and establish a sod of Dutch White Clover
of course, which will provide nitrogen to the growing trees and not
shade their growth.  After the trees are tall enough to run cattle, add
deeper-rooted legums to the pasture-mix.

Put Babydoll Southdowns or Miniature Romneys under the trees when the
branches are four to five feet off the ground (they can't reach them).
Later run bigger sheep, still later, cattle---and a lot later under
chestnuts run ringed-hogs when and if you don't want to deal with worms
in chestnuts.  A mature chestnut grove produces the equivalent of four
hundred bushels of corn per acre---and try to produce that, especially
without annual plowing, cultivating and heavy application of commercial
fertilizer.

Yes, I realize that there are depraved Gene Gerue types out there who
are focussed on growing and ensiling hops and barley---and together with
other inebriated barnyard animals may often be seen pirouetting and
capering around badly-corroded and dripping silo drains until they
collapse in a sodden mass in a trough or gutter.

However, all you high-minded types who have never succumbed to the
Budweiser Lizards, or who have been cleansed in mind and body by
pristine poteen, should read the following URL's.

http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/pecan.html   (anything published by the
Appropriate Technology Transfer For Rural Areas is good)

http://sacs.cpes.peachnet.edu/pecan/cultivar_performance.html
(University of Georgia Coastal Experiment station data on best
cultivars)

http://extension-horticulture.tamu.edu/carya/pecans/cvintro.htm   (Pecan
cultivar list from Texas A&  M, with characteristics of each)

http://www.icserv.com/nnga/index.html   (Join the Northern Nut Growers
Assn)

http://ianrwww.unl.edu/ianr/serec/nutgrow.htm   (Nebraska Nut
Growers---affiliate of NNGA, with location of specimen trees for scion
stock)

http://www.nsn.org/nbkhome/midfex/m/kurle.html#CHESTNUT   (nuts and fruit
that grows well in Chicago latitude)

http://www.woodworking.com/magazine/mar96/chestnut/cnut8.html   (chestnut
growing history in the U.S.P)

http://www.rirdc.gov.au/pub/handbook/chestnuts.html   (you will need this
chestnut-growing information when by popular request you move to
Australia)

http://www.icserv.com/nnga/gennut.htm   (nut-growing book list)

http://www.traverse.com/earthkeepers/GLCA.html   (Great Lakes Chestnut
Alliance)

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1990/V1-327.html   (the
Eastern Black Walnut.  The native trees around Roanoke, Va appear to be
disease-free, and free of pests, at least any that inflict noticeable
damage---and grow quite fast in relatively poor, thin, acid soil.  They,
like the butternut, retain their flavor in baking. I planted a lot of
them, most from a tree that has never failed to produce a large crop of
huge nuts each year, unfortunately not thin-shelled).

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/iHound.ihnd  (more data on Black
Walnut)

http://gardennet.com/BearCreek/bearcreq.htm   (order your nut tree, fruit
tree catalog from one of the best and lowest cost sources)

http://www.grimonut.com/   (Grimo Nut Nursery)

http://www.nsn.org/nbkhome/midfex/m/pawpaw.html   (Oh, why not, plant
some paw-paws too---mine died, didn't provide first-year shade)

http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/pplinks.htm   (paw-paw links)

http://www.oregonhazelnuts.org/index.htm   (sure, hazelnuts too---I
haven't even used up last year's crop yet, they produce like crazy even
in Virginia where the regular commercial varieties are supposed to be
susceptible to blight)

http://www.badgersett.com/index.html   (the best source on hazelnuts in
the U.S., and some good chestnuts too)

http://www.fas.usda.gov/htp/circular/1997/97-11/pistachi.htm   (pistachio
market data)

http://fruitsandnuts.ucdavis.edu/pistpub.html   (pistachio publications)

http://www.pistachios.org/   (California Pistachio Commission)

http://www.pistachios.org/industry.html  (California Pistachio industry,
history)

http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_h/h-647.html:  (pistachio growing,
diseases)

http://axp.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/r605100711.html   (susceptibility of three
pistachio cultivars to powdery mildew)

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1990/v1-331.html
(pistachio growing, marketing in California and elsewhere, plus some
other crops, Japanese persimmons etc.)

http://www.pistachionut.com/   (probably a lot of investment hype, but
pistachios are currently in short supply and rather profitable).

http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/edible-palms.html   (some edible palm nuts
for the semi-tropics.)  I have mixed emotions about Gene finding out
about the Chilean Wine Palm.  He made some mention about becoming a Wino
instead of a Beero.  It is a step up of course, but here at the Catawba
Primate Lab and Catfood Factory (waste not, want not), our blue-eyed
research scientists have not established that poteen is as a potent a
remedy for wine-poisoning as it is for beer-poisoning.

http://newmexicoranch.com/ag-page/sheep-producers/index.htm   (sheep
producers directory)

http://www.msue.msu.edu/iac/animshee.html   (stuff on sheep and a lot
more)

http://pw2.netcom.com/~wandaron/cowpatty.html   (Cow Patty---just threw
that in for some interesting links, but you really have to dig to find
much about sheep and nothing on two-tier at all)

http://www.libs.uga.edu/govdocs/keepcp.html   (various government
publications, some on agriculture, including the Georgia Farmers and
Consumers Market Bulletin Lee Flier talks about---good-un)

http://www.msue.msu.edu/iac/animshee.html   (more ag-links)

http://www.ams.usda.gov/directmarketing/   (Farmer-direct marketing
links---as more consumers have computers and seek or run across local
farm producer websites, this will tip the scales toward the
homesteader-producer who takes advantage of the low-cost internet
marketing of their vegetable/fruit/nut/meat/dairy products---and of
building up a regular clientele with repeat business whom you
automatically notify (and receive orders) as products become available)

http://www.farmerdirect.com/   (a direct-marketing group started by
Carla Emery, still in juvenile stage, where homestead-producer volume
exceeds local subscriber requirement.)

http://www.blarg.net/~critter/articles/deer/sheep1.html   (Babydoll
Southdown sheep description and source)

      American Miniature Sheep Reg.
      22819 Stanton Rd.
      Lakeville IN 46536


Miniature Novelty Sheep Breeders
      113 Blake Rd
      Toledo WA 98591

Miniature Cattle Breeds Reg  (but more aggressive feeding habits than
sheepO
      25204 156th Ave SE
      Kent WA 98042
      206-631 -1986 Fax (253) 631-5774
      Email:minimooz AT foxcomm.net

http://www.wtp.net/~jstandis/sheep/index.htm   (Babydoll source,
pictures)

http://www.toledotel.com/~smokeyvly/S007.htm   (Smokey Valley Babydolls)

http://www.llamasofatlanta.com/new2854204.html   (Llamas of Atlanta
Babydolls)

RAM, Old English Miniature Babydoll Southdown, white, 5 y/o, good
tempered, $100. Starla Murrell, High Point
910-434-1357.  (this is an ad of unknown date, don't know if it is still
unsold)  The ad was in this North Carolina posting:
http://www.agr.state.nc.us/paffairs/class/marstock.htm


http://www.kanza.net/~spisak/babydoll.html  (another Babydoll source)

http://www.mrsf.com/fence.htm   (a good sheep fence is a must, including
uninterruptible power supply of some kind---and a source of Shetland
sheep when trees are larger---interesting natural colors of wool, good
foragers, tame)

http://www.hifiber.com/sbs.html#misce   (Shetland fleece characteristics,
plus that of a number of other breeds)

Note:  For Mini-Romney sources, look in the classified of current and
back-issue Countryside Magazine.

http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/b1066-w.html   (Ag feasibility analyses)

http://www.cas.psu.edu/docs/CASHOME/agdir/Hort.html   (horticulture
links, UC Davis in California for nuts)

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