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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

<<<That is why I preach the morality of the direct use economy.>>>
 
I wholeheartedly agree, there are a lot of moral attributes to a direct use 
economy.  
 
Yet, for the most part we still need to exchange with others that which we 
can not produce.
 
We could do direct exchange,,, I'll trade you my dozen eggs for a handful of 
bean seeds.
 
Or we could use the indirect method of exchange that was invented - i.e. 
currency.  There are moral versions of currency that can be used as an 
indirect method of exchange.  
 
However, what we think is money today, paper dollar bills backed by national 
debt as opposed to an asset - is totally immoral, because they just keep 
printing more and more out of thin air, putting the citizens more and more 
into debt (indirectly because future taxes pay for all the newly printed 
greenbacks).
 
Looks like one group of people (which includes Ron Paul) has at least been 
doing some serious planning to get the US back to a sound currency.  If I 
didn't post the link before, it is a 10 year plan, allowing gold/silver 
currencies to trade side by side greenbacks, and a 10 year education program. 
 Let the people choose, instead of the Fed and Congressional thieves.
 
I'm thinking that plan won't happen -- too many don't understand it.  We'll 
have to get to the direct use economy stage, direct exchange stage, first
 


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“All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. 
People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, 
and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. 
Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder 
respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” ~ George 
Orwell

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] a financial article
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 8:21 AM


> >That is just plain scary that some supposed financial wizzard, some 
> economist doesn't know or understand what payroll taxes include.

And scary as well that people don't realize that even if someone is so far 
below the "poverty" level that they do not pay income taxes, they
still pay the 
majority of all the taxes paid anyway.  It is impossible for a corporation to 
pay income taxes because any money the corp pays is added to the goods and 
services it sells.  The buyer and consumer ultimately pays the tax.  When you
go 
to buy that roll of fence wire or pair of boots (if they are new), you are 
paying at least 27% of the cost as income tax ... someone's income tax. 
You 
don't necessarily report it on the 1040 and write the IRS a check, but you
pay it 
none the less.

That is why I preach the morality of the direct use economy.  When discussing 
the concept, there is always someone whose soul is completely sold to the 
dark side, who thinks money is God and God is money, who swaggers about 
saying,

"*I* pay income tax.  You are a parasite on society because it is *I* who
pay 
the taxes that support the services you use."  But who is it who pays the
money 
with which you pay those taxes?  It is the poor consumer, the ultimate source 
of all the tax money ever collected through history.    Fat swaggering 
economic parasites don't produce anything of benefit to the folk, they are
simply a 
valve or filter wherethrough flows the money generated by the masses.  

The only way to break this cycle is the direct use economy.  When you eat the 
cabbage out ouf your garden rather than buy one, you are denying some fat 
parasite somewhere the prerogative of fondling the money before it goes to 
the 
person who produced the cabbage and thus denying the government's ability
to tax 
it.

James
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Plants are the ultimate chemists and form very complex communities we
are only beginning to understand. We have lots of unsightly ball moss
growing in our trees, but when I pull a piece off tiny bits of bark
follow that no doubt would be an entry point for worse.

Something like  one to two pounds of our body weight is bacteria which
has co-evolved with human beings and are an integral part of our body
ecology. Studies are now showing people from other countries that still
have intestinal worms do not get inflammatory bowel disease. It's when
we disturb these relationships that things can go badly.

According to this, sounds like something beneficial is supposed to be
coming from the relationship, a taking from the plant, a mixing of
phytochemicals which are then leached back to the plant by rain through
the soil. I know James is convinced otherwise, but perhaps something
else was attacking James' trees and the lichen were trying to help? It's
such a complex relationship... easier for me to believe it is
misunderstood instead of evil.

--Sage



bobf wrote:
> Sage, so what does that mean as far as doing anything with the lichens?
>
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>
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> --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Sage Austin | Eureka! Design <eureka AT hctc.net> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Sage Austin | Eureka! Design <eureka AT hctc.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Homestead] James. why
>> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 11:56 AM
>> "Lichens growing on trees (and throughout the
>> ecosystem), each posessing
>> their own unique chemistries, also leach substantial
>> quantities of
>> secondary metabolites, which each combine in unique ways
>> with those of
>> their host plants. Lichens are a symbiosis of two
>> organisms, a fungal
>> mycelia and an alga, that come together to form one plant.
>> In a sense
>> they are a kind of mycelia that can live outside the soil;
>> the alga
>> protects the internal mycelial core (from such things as
>> drying out)
>> much as the soil does. The exterior alga and the interior
>> mycelial core
>> possess their own unique biochemistries while, in
>> combination, they
>> produce synergistic compounds unique to their combination
>> as a lichen.
>> In the case of Usnea lichens the exterior covering is
>> highly
>> antibacterial while the inner mycelial core, composed of
>> complex
>> polysaccharides, is strongly immune potentiating. Lichens
>> release these
>> compounds into their tree hosts to support their hosts'
>> health and also
>> leach the into the system during rainfall. The tree lichens
>> growing in a
>> hectare (2.5 acres) of oak woods can weigh 1,500 pounds and
>> their
>> chemistries significantly alter throughfall water
>> chemsitry"
>>
>> Johannes Knops, et al., "The influence of piphytic
>> lichens on the
>> nutrient cycling of an oak wood," in Ecological
>> Monographs (May 1996)
>> www.nothernlights.com, excerpted from Stephen Harrod
>> Buhner's "Lost
>> Language of Plants".
>>
>> --Sage