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[Ivy Bickl <ivyb AT wanderersend.org>]

I had rabiits when I was young, Ivy.  If you start with "20", you will end up 
with "many"   :-)

Yes, I know... more for our smoke house and freezer. We are going to be 
feeding all of our security's family, our family and the 16 families that 
reside at the sanctuary.

Thanks,

Ivy Bickl~Founder



Wanderer's End Farm~ W.E. Sanctuary~helping us to help others......

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>    4. Re: pigs (bobf)
>    5. Ivy's shelter (Marie McHarry)
>    6. Re: Ivy's shelter (bobf)
>    7. Re: Ivy's shelter (Marie McHarry)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:45:13 EST
> From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] pigs
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> 
> > >Do they like raw onions?
> 
> They are very individual in their tastes.  Some pigs will crash through the 
> fecnce to get at an onion and some will not touch them.  
> 
> We have the image of pigs wantonly and indiscriminately scarfing down all 
> and 
> sundry, but they don't.  They are acutally very picky eaters, the just have 
> a 
> very wide range of things they will eat (including you, if they got the 
> chance).  One we raised did not like fava beans.  When I had a five gallon 
> bucket 
> of scraps, grain, etc. all soaked in milk, the pig flew into it and in the 
> end 
> the trough had every single fava bean still intact but nothing else.
> 
> Now here's my addition to the pig discussion:   If you have enough feed and 
> rich enough feed, a pig will get enormous.  Pig feed is among the pricier 
> things at the feed'n'seed.  BUT you don't necessarily have to end up with a 
> gigantonormous pig.  Feed the pig what you have or can get cheaply or free. 
>  Instead 
> of the pig dressing out at 400 lbs, suppose you "only" get 250 lbs of pork, 
> or 
> 100??  
> 
> The agribusiness model says:  400 lbs of pork for $500 in feed and 
> expenses, 
> $1.25 a pound!  Not bad.
> 
> The pastoral model says:  100 lbs of pork for no money at all.  Even better!
> 
> If the plan is to sell some of the pork (and this is easy and legal to do), 
> then shuffling some money around might make some sense.
> 
> But if the only goal is homestead pork, the pastoral model, says I, fits 
> best.
> 
> 
> Let me emphasize what has already been covered, pigs need LOTS of water.  
> In 
> hot weather they will die without it.  If a pig shows aggression, kill it 
> and 
> eat it right then and get another pig.  Life's too short to deal with 
> aggressive farm animals when you don't really have to.  Pigs are indeed 
> like 600 lb 
> puppy dogs.
> 
> You can keep a pig in with an electric fence ... right until he doesn't 
> want 
> to be kept in badly enough.  That is, when he's mad or frightened.
> 
> Pigs are intelligent, but 98% of that intelligence is geared toward getting 
> food.  In other matters they are often as dumb as dirt.   If food is 
> involved, 
> give it up, the pig knows many more tricks than you can even imagine.  In 
> all 
> other matters, expect instinct rather than reason to prevail.
> 
> 
> Pigs will eat grass and hay, they will chew twigs and branches.  If you are 
> where you can gather acorns, you can add lots of pounds to a pig.
> 
> Pork from a milk fed pig looks, smells, and tastes very different from a 
> chop 
> fed pig.  The milk can be in the form of buttermilk from butter making or 
> whey from cheese making or any other form.   If you are using simple 
> detergent to 
> do your dishes, feed the dishwater to the pig.  Pigs love to eat coffee 
> grounds and tea bags.  Spent brewing grains are also great so long as they 
> have not 
> overly soured.  If they do sour, the pigs won't eat them.  Assume anything 
> in 
> the kitchen that still has even a little nutritional value left is fodder 
> for 
> the pig.  
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:50:25 +0000
> From: Ivy Bickl <ivyb AT wanderersend.org>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Homestead Digest, Vol 54, Issue 159
> To: Homestead <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> 
> I'm so sorry for not being more specific in my original posts. I guess I 
> was just trying to give you the details of what we have already in regards 
> to the proposal I am preparing. We are to have 20 rabbits that I would like 
> to house in colony style and about 10 goats and 10 sheep. Only a few of 
> these numbers will be male, and they would need to kept separate mostly 
> from the does, right? To make sure not to have a negative effect on the 
> milk? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ivy Bickl~Founder
> 
> 
> 
> Wanderer's End Farm~ W.E. Sanctuary~helping us to help others......
> 
> Check out our fundraiser products! ~Help us get our 501!
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> > From: "Marie McHarry" <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Homestead] Ivy's shelter
> > To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> > If you had started with this specific detail, you would have giotten
> > more specific answers. For the barn how many and what kind of animals
> > do you plan to house?
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:59:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Homestead Digest, Vol 54, Issue 159
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> I had rabiits when I was young, Ivy.  If you start with "20", you will end 
> up with "many"   :-)
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Ivy Bickl <ivyb AT wanderersend.org> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ivy Bickl <ivyb AT wanderersend.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] Homestead Digest, Vol 54, Issue 159
> > To: "Homestead" <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:50 AM
> > I'm so sorry for not being more specific in my original
> > posts. I guess I was just trying to give you the details of
> > what we have already in regards to the proposal I am
> > preparing. We are to have 20 rabbits that I would like to
> > house in colony style and about 10 goats and 10 sheep. Only
> > a few of these numbers will be male, and they would need to
> > kept separate mostly from the does, right? To make sure not
> > to have a negative effect on the milk? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Ivy Bickl~Founder
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Wanderer's End Farm~ W.E. Sanctuary~helping us to help
> > others......
> > 
> > Check out our fundraiser products! ~Help us get our 501!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > From: "Marie McHarry"
> > <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [Homestead] Ivy's shelter
> > > To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> >     <18c9df6e0901180652o3dd1e5d0v281e188954a043a5 AT mail.gmail.com>
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> > > 
> > > If you had started with this specific detail, you
> > would have giotten
> > > more specific answers. For the barn how many and what
> > kind of animals
> > > do you plan to house?
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:12:55 -0800 (PST)
> From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] pigs
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .........................
> > The agribusiness model says:  400 lbs of pork for $500 in feed and 
> > expenses, $1.25 a pound!  Not bad.
> > 
> The pastoral model says:  100 lbs of pork for no money at all.  Even better!
> > 
> 
> 
> This kind of reasoning might be part of a "pastoral homesteading" ideology, 
> but it is also sound business practice.  When your input or cost is zero, 
> your margin of return is 100%.  Plus if you consume the 'result' , 
> yourself, you pay no added-value expenses in the business chain and you pay 
> no taxes for your governmental morons to waste.
> 
> Agri-bus9ness is suited well for its purpose - to sate the masses.  Hungry 
> people become unruly and then dangerous.  We are not a nation of skinny, 
> angry people -- not yet.  But agri-business would collapse without 
> governmental propping.  It is "planned" and "centralized"-- always bad, in 
> the long run...............
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:37:39 -0600
> From: "Marie McHarry" <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
> Subject: [Homestead] Ivy's shelter
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> Before you do anything about a barn talk to the health department and
> a local dairy farmer. You are in Wisconsin, right?  Wisconsin has
> hordes of goat dairy  people who will give you good guidance.  Health
> department types are pathologically opposed to chickens on dairy
> farms, so if youeventually want to sell milk or cheese you need to
> understand what they want.  (None of the inspectors who inspected us
> ever came unglued about our two guineas, but I'm sure their supervisor
> would have.)
> 
> Marie
> 
> On 1/18/09, Ivy Bickl <ivyb AT wanderersend.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm so sorry for not being more specific in my original posts. I guess I 
> > was
> > just trying to give you the details of what we have already in regards to
> > the proposal I am preparing. We are to have 20 rabbits that I would like 
> > to
> > house in colony style and about 10 goats and 10 sheep. Only a few of these
> > numbers will be male, and they would need to kept separate mostly from the
> > does, right? To make sure not to have a negative effect on the milk?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ivy Bickl~Founder
> >
> >
> >
> > Wanderer's End Farm~ W.E. Sanctuary~helping us to help others......
> >
> > Check out our fundraiser products! ~Help us get our 501!
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: "Marie McHarry" <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [Homestead] Ivy's shelter
> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Message-ID:
> >>    <18c9df6e0901180652o3dd1e5d0v281e188954a043a5 AT mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> If you had started with this specific detail, you would have giotten
> >> more specific answers. For the barn how many and what kind of animals
> >> do you plan to house?
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:39:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Ivy's shelter
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> Not that it necessarily changes anything, Marie, but I thought she wrote 
> that she was in Oklahoma..........
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Marie McHarry <mmcharry AT gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Before you do anything about a barn talk to the health
> > department and
> > a local dairy farmer. You are in Wisconsin, right? 
> > Wisconsin has
> > hordes of goat dairy  people who will give you good
> > guidance.  Health
> > department types are pathologically opposed to chickens on
> > dairy
> > farms, so if youeventually want to sell milk or cheese you
> > need to
> > understand what they want.  (None of the inspectors who
> > inspected us
> > ever came unglued about our two guineas, but I'm sure
> > their supervisor
> > would have.)
> > 
> > Marie
> > 
> > On 1/18/09, Ivy Bickl <ivyb AT wanderersend.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm so sorry for not being more specific in my
> > original posts. I guess I was
> > > just trying to give you the details of what we have
> > already in regards to
> > > the proposal I am preparing. We are to have 20 rabbits
> > that I would like to
> > > house in colony style and about 10 goats and 10 sheep.
> > Only a few of these
> > > numbers will be male, and they would need to kept
> > separate mostly from the
> > > does, right? To make sure not to have a negative
> > effect on the milk?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ivy Bickl~Founder
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wanderer's End Farm~ W.E. Sanctuary~helping us to
> > help others......
> > >
> > > Check out our fundraiser products! ~Help us get our
> > 501!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: "Marie McHarry"
> > <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
> > >> Subject: [Homestead] Ivy's shelter
> > >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > >> Message-ID:
> > >>
> >     <18c9df6e0901180652o3dd1e5d0v281e188954a043a5 AT mail.gmail.com>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >>
> > >> If you had started with this specific detail, you
> > would have giotten
> > >> more specific answers. For the barn how many and
> > what kind of animals
> > >> do you plan to house?
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>       
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:43:57 -0600
> From: "Marie McHarry" <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Ivy's shelter
> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> 
> I 'm not sure about local regs in Oklahoma. Probably there will be
> less local know how.
> 
> On 1/18/09, bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Not that it necessarily changes anything, Marie, but I thought she wrote
> > that she was in Oklahoma..........
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Marie McHarry <mmcharry AT gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Before you do anything about a barn talk to the health
> >> department and
> >> a local dairy farmer. You are in Wisconsin, right?
> >> Wisconsin has
> >> hordes of goat dairy  people who will give you good
> >> guidance.  Health
> >> department types are pathologically opposed to chickens on
> >> dairy
> >> farms, so if youeventually want to sell milk or cheese you
> >> need to
> >> understand what they want.  (None of the inspectors who
> >> inspected us
> >> ever came unglued about our two guineas, but I'm sure
> >> their supervisor
> >> would have.)
> >>
> >> Marie
> >>
> >> On 1/18/09, Ivy Bickl <ivyb AT wanderersend.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm so sorry for not being more specific in my
> >> original posts. I guess I was
> >> > just trying to give you the details of what we have
> >> already in regards to
> >> > the proposal I am preparing. We are to have 20 rabbits
> >> that I would like to
> >> > house in colony style and about 10 goats and 10 sheep.
> >> Only a few of these
> >> > numbers will be male, and they would need to kept
> >> separate mostly from the
> >> > does, right? To make sure not to have a negative
> >> effect on the milk?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Ivy Bickl~Founder
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Wanderer's End Farm~ W.E. Sanctuary~helping us to
> >> help others......
> >> >
> >> > Check out our fundraiser products! ~Help us get our
> >> 501!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> From: "Marie McHarry"
> >> <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
> >> >> Subject: [Homestead] Ivy's shelter
> >> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> >> Message-ID:
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> >>    <18c9df6e0901180652o3dd1e5d0v281e188954a043a5 AT mail.gmail.com>
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> >> >>
> >> >> If you had started with this specific detail, you
> >> would have giotten
> >> >> more specific answers. For the barn how many and
> >> what kind of animals
> >> >> do you plan to house?
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:01:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Homestead] Home-grown greens and such
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> My 'greens' garden is doing great.  We had chef's salads for dinner last 
> night with the base greens being my hom grown  (two different varieties) 
> curly red lettuce. (so , I guess, those greens were really 'reds' ;-o  )
> 
> My collards, mustard and tuenip greens are all pretty and becoming large.  
> I will probably cut and cook some in the next few days.  My brocooli 
> doesn't yet have "fruit" .  But,Even the extra bed where I planted seed -- 
> the bed I thought didn't turn out-- has sprouted many, many little 
> plants--we shall see how that turns out.
> 
> My yellow pear tomatoes are still producing.  I had those, along with some 
> local (Wilcox, AZ) red tomatyoes in the salads also.
> 
> I have a local source for a new type od heat-resistnat tomatoe plant, for 
> this spring.  I will probably plow under my old tomato beds (except for the 
> yellow pear and a couple of other bushes-- and plant in early Feb, the new 
> tomato plants...............
> 
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