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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

That is where all of this stuff starts to get complicated.  And, like James 
wrote a couple of days ago, when the margins get thin, and the liability 
waxes, the moneymen will take their capital elsewhere......


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--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Midwestt farming problems - 2009 Food shortages
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:55 AM
> I'd also be interested in hearing what percentage of
> that corn feeds people, 
> as opposed to what  feeds animals or goes  for ethanol.
> 
> That guy (Stranded Wind) has a very strange set of ideas. I
> don't think they 
> are compatible. He's into 'natural' ways to
> produce ammonia for fertilizer. 
> Ammonia fertilizer is hard on the soil, and doesn't fit
> into any kind of 
> 'natural' system. Those huge midwestern monoculture
> farms are not 
> sustainable. I'm hoping that someday they will be
> broken down into smaller 
> diversified farms.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "bob ford" <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Midwestt farming problems - 2009
> Food shortages
> 
> 
> > No, I have not followed the "Marcellus
> Shale" issue, though I do remember 
> > you saying that you might have NG lease options.  I
> don't know what to 
> > make of it all.
> >
> >  If you followed this guy's article, he is saying
> beofre BO and the dems 
> > (whom he supports) worries about propping-up,
> bailing-out, of Detrotit , 
> > Citi, more Wall St. ( which are all already decided by
> the dem congress, 
> > anway), they should first make sure that agricultural
> products are taken 
> > care of
> >
> > (and I clicked on one of his links, the guys riding a
> bicycle through a 
> > wheatfield talking about windmills to produce ammonia?
> -- not exactly the 
> > 'monsanto' type.  That is whay I posted the
> article, to see what people 
> > who have a better understanding of the business of
> agriculture thought.
> >
> > This is only one of several articles I've recently
> read warning of very 
> > near-term U.S. food shortages
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Lynn Wigglesworth
> <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Midwestt farming problems
> - 2009 Food shortages
> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 9:54 AM
> >> Industrial farming runs on fossil fuels, so if
> there IS a
> >> shortage, it
> >> doesn't run at all. I don't believe there
> is a
> >> shortage...or if there is,
> >> it's a created shortage to drive prices back
> up.
> >>
> >> I don't know if you've followed the
> Marcellus Shale
> >> issue....it's a large
> >> area of untapped natural gas (I'm sitting
> right on top
> >> of it). It is
> >> alledgedly going to make the local landowners all
> rich, but
> >> the gas
> >> companies have stopped leasing land because the
> price of
> >> natural gas has
> >> dropped. They've capped the wells they have
> drilled
> >> (there are 2 just
> >> completed and capped within 2 miles of me)  until
> the price
> >> comes up again.
> >>
> >> Lynn Wigglesworth
> >> Tioga Co. PA
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "bob ford"
> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> >> To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:25 AM
> >> Subject: [Homestead] Midwestt farming problems -
> 2009 Food
> >> shortages
> >>
> >>
> >> > First; I'm always skeptical of anything
> posted at
> >> the DailyKos.  There is
> >> > so much blatant propaganda and lie-ing on the
> site
> >> (plus the emotional ,
> >> > irrational ,profane language, ).  But, this
> is another
> >> agricultiral
> >> > article which I have read in the past couple
> of weeks
> >> and this author does
> >> > seem genuinely and rationally interested and
> somewhat
> >> personally
> >> > knowledgeable about the subject.. Lots of
> people are
> >> saying that 'food'
> >> > could be a near term problem - even
> >> here................................
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Excerpt:
> >> >
> >> > " The Famine Of 2009 (updated 4x)
> >> >
> >> > by Stranded Wind
> >> >
> >> > Thu Nov 27, 2008 at 08:18:15 AM PST
> >> >
> >> > Last week I received a very concerned call
> from South
> >> Dakota farmer and
> >> > agronomist Bryan Lutter.  "Neal,
> we're out of
> >> propane!"  I figured this
> >> > was personal distress – he and his family
> farm over
> >> three square miles of
> >> > land and I know this has been a tough year
> for many
> >> people. He promptly
> >> > corrected my misconception when I tried to
> console
> >> him. "No, everybody is
> >> > out, all three grain elevators, we can't
> get fuel
> >> for the bins, and we're
> >> > coming in real wet this year."
> >> >
> >> >  There are equally dramatic issues due to the
> >> bankruptcy of Verasun and
> >> > the apparent insolvency of the nation's
> largest
> >> private crop insurance
> >> > program. Payments that would have come in
> June or July
> >> of a normal year
> >> > are still not dispersed at the end of
> November and
> >> this has grim
> >> > implications for next year's crop.
> >> >
> >> >  I started digging into the details and
> unless I'm
> >> badly mistaken people
> >> > are going to be starving in 2009 over causes
> and
> >> conditions being set down
> >> > right now. It's a complex, interlocking
> issue, and
> >> I hope I've done a good
> >> > job explaining it below the fold ..."
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/27/11143/168/114/667032
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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