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[william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>]

If you can, you should see if you can find a book called, Oh Yea.  I am not 
sure who it is by, but it has all the statements by the big shots in the last 
depression about everything being alright and not to worry.  I think it would 
be interesting, but I have never been able to find it.

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com> wrote:

From: Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Remain Confident!
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 3:39 PM

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 4:24 PM, <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

>
> We should remain confident.  Eh, exactly why would that be??
>

I think there is a contingent of the population that will remain confident
if only because one of the 'higher ups' in the Admin. said so. These
are
perhaps the same people that consumed because they were told by Bush and
Greenspan to do so.

The caveat is that some of those very people lost jobs and/or are so deep in
debt they've run out of money - and options. You can't even fall back
on
declaring bankruptcy, that option changed drastically a couple years back.
So perhaps they won't necessarily take Paulson and Bush at their word.

My contrarian instinct has all the red flags raised high. Confident, my Ash!

lkvp
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..Welcome Sue, to the Homestead List, where there is more yakking about world 
events and ultimately politics than there is about homesteadin', but we do 
try. :)  Many of us have been on the list more than 10 years and we know each 
other pretty well, almost like family.  You know how sometimes you will cut 
your friend some slack, but not your family?  That is kind of the way it is 
here. But we do all pretty much love each other..except I think Bill really 
does hate Lynda..lol..where is Bill anyway?
Sounds like near Aberdeen, Bigfoot country...beautiful out there on the 
coast.  I have family across the river from you down in Astoria.
To answer the question, there is no way to hide from Uncle Sam within the US, 
not in this day and age.  Of course, if you live in Afghanistan and or 
Pakistan and your name is Osama, then you have a good shot of avoiding Uncle, 
but otherwise, we just aren't that fortunate. <g>
What I mostly try to protect myself against are those that might inherit 
power after a disaster or collapse or those 'refugees' who might retreat from 
more urban areas.  Having all that data at the fingertips of the 
government-things like Carnivore and RFID info and digital phone conversation 
and digital tax records, etc. etc. etc. is a double edged sword.  Now, in 
'normal' times, all I can do is to try to prevent them from accumulating more 
info and to try to reduce my digital footprint.  It makes sense to do that so 
that criminals don't get your information, too.  However, if the world went 
to hell, say, Al Qaida or Russia or China took out our satellites or set off 
an EMP or nuke, then guess what???  All that stored digital data would be 
gone into cyberspace.  If it wasn't destroyed, at least it would be difficult 
to access with the lack of electricity, parts, generator fuel, etc.  Assuming 
I survived the calamity, that period of no information
 would buy me time to assess and determine whether or not I need to relocate 
to the caves<g> or build a boat to get out of the country or whatever....
Do I feel safe? No. 
Do I hope that I am just paranoid and thinking crazy things like this?  Yes.
Am I? Only time will tell.  Gambling on it, though, it is always better to be 
prepared-both physically and mentally-than not.  I think I get more "out 
there", as Lisa says, every year, and that scares even me.


Akka

Susan Trickett wrote:
> Hello, I've been lurking a few months, really enjoying the banter and
> conversations. We also live in Western WA, about 20 miles inland. We
> live in a town of 16,000.00, city struggles because fishing and
> logging were the main sources of jobs and there's much less of that
> going on now. My question is since you pay property taxes the
> government knows where you are, even hunkered down how safe do you
> feel? What are some of your main concerns?
> 
> Sue



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Oh, I'm sorry, Dad, if I took it too far.   I have a lot of fun jerking 
people's chains, or trying to find out how much leash can be let out, 
before the situation is found to be totally ridiculous.   I think Bob 
does, too.   I will try to play nicer in the future.

By the way, I have some absolutely wonderful North Dakota stories, if 
any of you like good yarns, with just enough truth in them to be 
plausible.   I like to see how long I can string rubes along.

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Awright, this has gone far enough. I figured you were both joking but
I see that at least one of you is serious. Obtuseness is, in fact, a
word.


obtuse |əbˈt(y)oōs; äb-|
adjective
1 annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand : he wondered if the
doctor was being deliberately obtuse. See note at stupid .
• difficult to understand : some of the lyrics are a bit obtuse.
2 (of an angle) more than 90° and less than 180°.
• not sharp-pointed or sharp-edged; blunt.
DERIVATIVES
obtusely |əbˈt(j)usli| |ɑbˈt(j)usli| adverb
obtuseness |əbˈt(j)usnəs| |ɑbˈt(j)usnəs| noun
obtusity |-sitē| |əbˈt(j)usədi| |ɑbˈt(j)usədi| noun
ORIGIN late Middle English (in
 the sense [blunt] ): from Latin
obtusus, past participle of obtundere‘beat against’ (see obtund ).
On Sep 15, 2008, at 10:40 AM, rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:

> Aaah, I don't mind admitting weaknesses.   And, I did know that
> "obtuse-ness"  wasn't a word, which is why I used the dash.   Just
> couldn't be bothered to look up the correct one.   Lazy.   See,
> another
> weakness...   ;-)
>
> Ray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 9:02 am
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Enjoy the quiet while it lasts...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:25 AM, <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Thank you for correcting my vocabulary usage.   I apologize for my
> poor
>> word skills.   I stand corrected.   ;-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
>>
>> Obtuse-ness is not a word, ray.  The word you are looking for is
>> obtunuity.
>
>
> Someone told me once to not publicly admit your weaknesses, I haven't
> yet
> learned that lesson because I do it all the time. I was unfamiliar
> with
> obtunuity myself. My husband, who was a Latin scholar in school,
> probably
> knew the word. He strengthens my vocab skills on an almost weekly
> basis.
>
> If it makes you feel better Ray, I would have used obtuseness. I' make
> up
> new words b
y adding prefixes and suffixes to existing words.
>
> Thanks for the correct word, Bob. Learn something every day.
>
> Lisa
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