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[Don Bowen <don.bowen AT earthlink.net>]

At 5/16/2007, you wrote:
> More will follow Gloria's example. Rural migration has typically
> followed economic trends. The economic tide is still coming in but
> the rocky reef is building.

I have been thinking on this subject recently.  The rock reefs on the lee 
shore are mostly peak oil and global warming.  Global warming is much less 
noticeable and will be mostly ignored even as we continue to spew CO2 at 
ever increasing rates.  Peak Oil on the other hand is a real problem that 
promises to change our way of life more than anything has even done and it 
is a negative.

Rural living is an escape for some.  Some who will be able to support 
themselves via savings and self sufficient activities such as gardening, 
building, repairing, and animal keeping.  But those who have to maintain a 
daily lifeline to the outside world through jobs or requiring services will 
not be so lucky in rural areas.

You can see some of the affects of Peak Oil right now.  Much of my reading 
indicates we may have peaked in 2005.  What that means to all of us can be 
seen at the gas pump with the nation wide price of gasoline at the all time 
high of $3.22 with expectations that it will go much higher in July and 
August.  Prices are high because stocks are low and crude prices are 
high.  Crude prices are high because production is falling off while demand 
continues to increase.  The increase is from growing economies like China 
and India plus increased demand in oil producing countries.  Iran is facing 
gasoline rationing in some areas.


Don Bowen              Awl Knotted Up                       KI6DIU
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My travel journal
http://www.braingarage.com/Dons/Travels/journal/Journal.html

I am omnivagant.  
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At 5/10/2007, you wrote:
> Hence the more outlandish the circus acts in the ballsroom of the DC
> Whorehouse.

They have reached the point of diminishing returns.  There is little they 
can do against an increasing powerful world so they pick at the 
edges.  There is a real need to get the government out of the hands of the 
children currently in the White House but I am afraid we the voters will 
not want real grown ups in charge, they just may do what all real grown ups 
do, say "no."

> What's to be done to stand against the insanity? Get some dirt, build
> a shack, cut firewood and grow a garden. Know that sustaining oneself
> is importance enough.

I have been thinking through some real post peak oil scenarios.  For an 
individual, self sufficiency is one very important answer.  Learn to build, 
repair, grow, tend, in short be able to cut free from the wider 
economy.  But that means being prepared now with the skills, tools, land, 
and resources.



Don Bowen              Awl Knotted Up                       KI6DIU
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Don Bowen wrote:

> At 5/10/2007, you wrote:
>  
>
> > Hence the more outlandish the circus acts in the ballsroom of the DC
> > Whorehouse.
> >    
>
> They have reached the point of diminishing returns.  There is little they 
> can do against an increasing powerful world so they pick at the 
> edges.  There is a real need to get the government out of the hands of the 
> children currently in the White House but I am afraid we the voters will 
> not want real grown ups in charge, they just may do what all real grown ups 
> do, say "no."
>
>  
The "increasingly powerful world" happened in '45 when that freak in a 
skirt let the Soviets acquire the bomb.  In light of that, is there 
anything we can do to really ensure our security?  You might have said 
the very same thing about L. "Brains" Johnson's Folly in Vietnam.  Talk 
about picking at the edges.  Insuring that the world's oil supply is not 
entirely in the hands of the "students at the Embassy," in the heart of 
it all, seems much less like picking at the edges to me.  It sounds as 
though you're thrilled that communists and Islamic fundamentalists have 
finally stood up to us bad guys.

Now if your candidates could only say "no" to a dollar bill, or to the 
whiny minorities they represent, or to the Israel lobby, there might be 
a chance of some good happening.

Bill