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Thank you, Lynda - again. You've expressed my thoughts very well. I tend to
stumble and unravel when an issue upsets me, so most of the time I say 
nothing.
Yours is the attitude my parents instilled in me - both teachers - although,
strangely, everything in their own backgrounds was absolutely counter to what 
I'm
trying to express. I will always be grateful that they were sharply
environmentally aware, peaceful, universally charitable folks who drew no 
lines
except against meanness and greed.
Sandy 

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:27:51 -0700, "Lynda" wrote:
 
> Well, evidence would show that you are closer to the truth than you think.
> Cristobal was more likely Spanish than Italian, so Spaniard's ships would be
> accurate.
> 
> As to the stuff he brought, they weren't needed and some you mentioned were
> already here (onions, grapes, clover).
> 
> And, yes there is every evidence that the Polynesians, Chinese and Norsemen
> had been here.  MAJOR difference.  They didn't come with the intent to take
> over the world.  They didn't come with the *superior* attitude that they
> knew all and only the white christians knew the *right* way.  Funny thing,
> the native population and the *visitors* got along quite well.  It wasn't
> until there were *invaders* that there was a problem.
> 
> So, when you do the math, the scale hangs heavily to the negative.  And,
> people needing a place to escape to does NOT justify the wholesale murder of
> whole groups of people and the continued depression of a whole ethnic group.
> 
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SISU!" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> 
> 
> > Okay, my friend returned the book, and I did a quick search...in
> > addition to all the pathogens like smallpox, "the Spaniards' ships
> > disgorged wheat, clover, chick peas, grape vines, melons, onions,
> > radishes, fruit trees, horses, pigs, cattle, sheep, goats, burros"
> >
> > Thinking about this from our perspective, (our meaning homestead types),
> > it may seem that the European invasion did more harm than good.  Upon
> > skimming the book tonight, I came to the conclusion that change was
> > inevitable for the American continent.  It was only a matter of time,
> > and in fact, you could make an argument that the Chinese discovered
> > America before Colon, not to mention the Norsemen's adventures.
> >   Things always change, move, evolve....
> > Take sugar cane...
> > (I just read this tonight and will paraphrase ....)
> > Columbus brought sugarcane to the New World on his second voyage.  As we
> > all know, it grew well here, and was one of the reasons for the
> > necessity of slaves, at least that was the excuse at the time.  Where,
> > you ask did it come from BEFORE Columbus??  Spain, of course....and it
> > is still grown there today.  Where did Spain get it?  The Moors brought
> > it to Spain when they invaded and controlled that part of Europe.  And
> > backtracking further, the Moors brought it across northern
> > Africa..Egypt, Morocco, etc.  They got it from the Persians, who got it
> > from other Asians. The Chinese also grew it. Where, you ask, did
> > sugarcane originate?
> > The answer is New Guinea.  After the last ice age, the natives of New
> > Guinea began cultivating sugarcane and trading it.  It made it's way all
> > the way around the world, carried by one invader/trader after another.
> > Many times, slave labor was used in cultivation.  It changed the world.
> >
> > Sure, the native Americans had sweeteners...they could have done without
> > sugar, the wheel, and other things like Christianity that Europeans
> > brought with them.  But that is only part of the story....and for the
> > rest, you should read the book...I intend to read it again this winter.
> >
> > Bev
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