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["Toni Hawryluk" <tonihawr AT msn.com>]

Gene asked :
> >Must be time for that two-story "glass" addition
> >to the south side of the house, radiant heat floor,
> >and holes in the floor for the trees. Each  *hole*
> >has to have a concrete "floor" three feet down in.

> Did the hole have concrete sides also? 

No. Apparently the root "pruning" *depth*
was sufficient along with the then-"cheap" 
labor of the gardeners in branch-pruning
was enough to keep the trees manageable -
and the gardeners had to be trained to
understand the difference between leaf
buds and fruit buds as well as which fruit
bloomed on old wood or 'new wood' ...

> And did the concrete floor in the hole employ radiant heat piping? 

No. And I apologize for not keeping this data
clearly separate from non-BBC PBS.

The radiant flooring was from another 'glass' 
house article (not Victorian, although even
the Romans had those floors, in a way).  The 
flooring was for 'fooling' the trees into thinking 
the soil was warm enough for them - since 
there would be no really cold 'weather' where 
they 'lived' inside but what's underfoot for
humans would still be too cold for the trees.

With what I've read and learned on my own 
about fruiting, the additional light is necessary 
to also 'fool' the trees into thinking they are 
closer to the equator (and twelve-hour or 
whatever daily daylight *they* need to make 
up their daily/seasonal heat-light requirement).
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http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap11-12-072548.asp?t=apnew&vts=111220040748

 

Apparent kidnapping videotaped by California mall camera

 

Woman put in trunk of car

 

CORONA, Calif., Nov. 12 - Two men were caught on a mall's security camera as 
they chased a woman through a parking lot, then grabbed and stuffed her into 
the trunk of a car, authorities said. 


Shoppers nearby seemed to notice the incident Sunday night, but none 
attempted to stop it.

     

Police on Thursday were still trying to determine the identities of the 
woman, who appeared to be in her 20s, and two men seen on the tape made at 
Corona Discount Mall about 40 miles southeast of Los Angeles. 
       The woman's reaction on the fuzzy video when she saw the men suggested 
she knew them. Detective Frank Zellers said the incident was being 
investigated as a kidnapping. 
       ''It's very discouraging right now and it's really difficult for us, 
because we don't know who the victim is,'' he told KCAL-TV. ''And it's 
obvious that some kind of crime occurred.'' 
       The department had received several calls from witnesses and others in 
recent days, but had no solid leads, Officer Jesse Jurado said. He said 
investigators had not yet ruled out the possibility that the incident was a 
hoax. 
       A security camera recorded the scene as the woman walked from the 
parking lot to the sidewalk outside the entrance. 
       When a black Toyota Solara raced up and braked, the woman looked over 
her shoulder at the car and took off running with the vehicle in pursuit. 
       Despite the fuzzy taped images, the woman can be seen running down a 
parking aisle as two men jump out of the Solara and chase her. One man threw 
the woman over his shoulder, carried her back to the car and put her in the 
trunk, which the other man had opened. 
       A security guard at the mall heard the woman yelling for someone to 
call the police as she was being stuffed in the trunk, Jurado said. 
       A handful of shoppers visible in the foreground of the scene appeared 
to turn their heads and watch. In addition, several motorists drove through 
the scene. 



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