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- To: <crhutson AT salisbury.net>, "Corpus-Paul" <corpus-paul AT lists.ibiblio.org>, "Kent Yinger" <kent.yinger AT verizon.net>
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- Subject: Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul
- Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:45:42 -0500
Listers,
I've been out of town for the holiday, so this is a few days old, but in
response to Kent Yinger:
I wrote re. interpolation at 1 Cor 14:34-35 . . .
>
>> In his commentary, Fee makes as strong a case as can be made for the
>interpolation theory.
>>
>> But it is not a persuasive theory. There is no manuscript support for
>omitting 34-35.
And Kent responded:
>True, there is "no manuscript support" in the sense that no mss omit it
>here. However, if my memory serves me correctly (I'm not near my copy of
>Fee's commentary), Fee's argument as to external evidence revolves around a
>fair amount of unusual placement of the passage in various mss. While not
>firm evidence of omission, the alternate placements require some
>explanation, don't they? Fee's (and others') suggestions of an interpolation
>based largely on scribal tendencies seems at least as plausible to me as
>explanations suggested by others these other placements and, thus, for the
>original inclusion of vv 34-35 at this point in the text. As with so many
>matters, the persuasiveness of a theory remains in the eye of the beholder.
Kent, I believe Curt Niccum has demonstrated in his article in NTS that the
mss which contain vv 34-35 after v. 40 all comprise a small regional
idiosyncrasy in copying. There is no textual evidence for any widespread
rearrangement of these verses, nor any for omitting these verses.
I also wrote:
>> Besides, claiming that this is an interpolation doesn't solve the problem
>about women's roles in the churches, because this is still the canonical
>text.
to which Kent responded:
>
>This one caught me by surprise ("still in the canonical text"). I take it
>that you are saying, "Even if 14:34-35 is an interpolation, it is still in
>the canonical text." I'm uncertain as to what you mean by "the canonical
>text." Rome resolved this with the Vulgate, but that doesn't satisfy most of
>us in the NT guild. If canonization was more-or-less concluded in the 3rd or
>4th centuries, is that the text (which? Vaticanus? Alexandrinus? etc.) we
>are calling "canonical"? Help me understand what is "canonical text" for you
>in regard to Paul's letters. Thanks.
>
>Kent
Kent, well, pick your manuscripts, and pick whichever canon list you prefer
to use. The fact is, vv. 34-35 are in all of them. I realize that the canon
remained in flux for at least three centuries after the texts were written
(and some would say it is still unsettled), but I believe pretty much every
Christian canon list ever created includes 1 Corinthians, and every ms of 1
Corinthians contains 14:34-35. So the only way one could argue that these
verses are not canonical would be to argue that there should be no canon in
the first place. If you have a Christian canon, then whatever it looks like,
these verses are in it.
As for me, I accept that Paul wrote these verses, no matter how disagreable
they are, and I try to understand why he wrote them, since they stand in
clear tension with other things he wrote about women.
Thanks for your questions, Kent. I hope this helps.
Chris
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Christopher R. Hutson
Hood Theological Seminary
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul
, (continued)
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul, Tim Harris, 11/23/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul,
gfsomsel, 11/23/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul, Ron Price, 11/24/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul, Frank W. Hughes, 11/24/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul,
crhutson, 11/24/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul,
Edgar Krentz, 11/24/2004
- [Corpus-Paul] Crossan on NPR, Jim West, 11/24/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul, rabbisaul, 11/24/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul,
Kent Yinger, 11/24/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul, Daniel Grolin, 11/25/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul,
Edgar Krentz, 11/24/2004
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Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul,
crhutson, 11/28/2004
- Re: [Corpus-Paul] Liberating Paul, Jeff Krantz @ optonline.net, 11/28/2004
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