Corpus-Paul

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<< Im sorry that I dont remember the name of the author, but theres an
 excellent book titled "When Women Were Priests".  (and then some subtitle).
 Very nice treatment of the phoebe= deaconess thing.
  Best 
 Jim >>

    It's been a while since I read that, but if I remember right it deals 
with a later period than even the Pastorals at their latest proposed date.  
Also, as modern churches vary considerably on the precise office of deacon 
(e.g. clergy or laity?), I would be slow to define Phoebe as an early form of 
"priest" simply because she is called deacon.  Even from the Pastorals it is 
not completely clear which offices would be paid positions (1 Cor 9:9; 1 Tim 
5:18) and which would not.  No wonder modern churches vary so in their 
ecclesiatical interpretations of these passages.
Jim Miller
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Dear Jim,

<<<Let's not forget the conservative connundrum of Phoebe the deacon in =
Romans 16:1.  Because most scholars do not accept an well-developed =
early ecclesiastical structure, they see Phoebe as being helpful in some =
unspecified way rather than holding an office.  However, those =
conservative enough to accept the Pastorals as genuinely Pauline also =
have to deal with a deacon who could not possibly be "the husband of one =
wife.">>>

Phoebe may not qualify as 'the husband of one wife' (1 Tim 3:12), but =
there is little doubt that she was among the women of the previous verse =
(1 Tim 3:11) who 'likewise must be serious, no slanderers, but =
temperate, faithful in all things'. These women seem not to be the wives =
of the deacons but, while mentioned with the deacons, had some ministry =
themselves (deaconesses?). If Romans is to be dated in or around 57, =
there is no need for the pastorals to be exhibiting a later =
ecclesiology. We are not told that he apponted deacons, but Paul =
certainly appointed elders from his first mission journey (Acts 14:23), =
again supporting the idea of at least a single teir structure from teh =
beginning.

Sincerely,

Kym Smith
Adelaide
South Australia
khs AT picknowl.com.au





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<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
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