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[Jeff Peterson <peterson AT mail.austingrad.edu>]

I'm not sure how much we disagree here. Successful leadership in 
virtually any fledgling household-based movement would have to be of 
the sort you describe. What I have some reservation about is e.g. the 
use of Gal 3:28 as a basis for imagining that there were no 
distinctions among the members of Pauline churches at all, but that 
every individual member enjoyed an equal say in the conduct of church 
life, discipline, etc. This strikes me as a democratic misreading of 
a text composed in an authoritarian, hierarchical culture.

Gal 3:28 is a statement about entry and membership in the Pauline 
communities, not about qualifications for leadership; Paul was 
insistent that Jews and Gentiles, slaves and free, men and women were 
alike invited to the table of the Lord, but within the community that 
gathered for his feast, there were clearly distinctions among 
members. Two indications of this: (1) In 1 Cor 5 Paul exercises his 
apostolic right to exclude a member who has violated the norms of the 
community; the expulsion is his judgment (KEKRIKA, v. 3) which is 
presented to the Corinthians as an action item, not a proposal for 
discussion. As far as we know, all those recognized as "apostles of 
Christ" (enumerated in 1 Cor 9:5-6 and 15:5-8) were Jews, so in 
effect Gentiles were excluded from positions of highest authority in 
the first Christian generation. (2) In 1 Cor 16:15-16, Paul calls on 
the membership at large to subject itself to Stephanas' household and 
other such household leaders. In Philemon we see Paul putting one 
such leader on notice in full view of the church that meets in his 
house; but the appeal is addressed by Paul the apostle to his beloved 
co-worker Philemon, not in the first instance to the church. What 
Paul would do if Philemon didn't respond positively to his appeal is 
an interesting question: a letter of rebuke to Philemon, or even an 
expulsion a la 1 Cor 5 with another member appointed to his role 
(which may be what's going on in 3 John)? It's doubtful he would 
encourage the membership to take a survey and nominate a replacement 
for Philemon.

Where this started was with comparison of leadership structure in the 
undisputed Paulines vs. the Pastorals; it seems to me there's a lot 
in common and that the whole question needs restudy with an eye 
towards small-group dynamics in the ancient context. What modern NT 
criticism has tended to see when the subject of "authority" comes up 
is a sort of refracted image of the papacy, which may mislead as much 
as it informs.

Jeff Peterson


At 7:53 AM -0500 4/9/03, Sheila E. McGinn, Ph.D. wrote:
> I find this equation of egalitarian with "unstructured" ubiquitous, 
> and highly problematic. To say that there is reciprocity in a 
> leadership structure and/or that the leadership structure is 
> egalitarian (i.e., that anyone with the gifts for a task is 
> permitted to do it, rather than excluding people on grounds of race, 
> sex, class, etc.) is not the same thing as saying there is NO 
> leadership structure. With the possible exception of Philippi, I see 
> the Pauline churches exhibiting this kind of leadership that is 
> confirmed by and accountable to the community. Sheila McGinn
>
> Jeff Peterson wrote:
> Where the argument can be faulted is in its characterization of the 
> Pauline churches as unstructured and egalitarian.
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I think what you have stated is only partially true.  There is a range 
of reasons why people have argued against Paul's authorship of 2 
Thessalonians.  I traced this debate from Hugo Grotius onward in the 
first 70 or so pages of my dissertation, "Second Thessalonians as a 
Document of Early Christian Rhetoric" (Northwestern University 1984).  I 
thought nobody would be interested in that history of scholarship, so I 
didn't put it into Early Christian Rhetoric and 2 Thessalonians (JSNTSup 
30, 1989).  But I published a chunk of it in my article, "Thessalonians, 
First and Second Letters to the," in Dictionary of Biblical 
Interpretation, ed. John H. Hayes (Nashville: Abingdon, 1999) 2.568-72.

Frank W. Hughes
Lecturer in New Testament Studies
Codrington College
Barbados

Jeff Peterson wrote:

> Permit me to rephrase: maintaining that 2 Thess is pseudonymous 
> requires answering Malherbe's defense of its Pauline authorship. Stan 
> Stowers anticipated a significant element of this defense with his 
> remark in A REREADING OF ROMANS that many deny 2 Thess to Paul out of 
> distaste for the eschatology of chap. 2 and the desire to avoid 
> attributing this to Paul.
>
> Jeff
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> At 8:07 AM -0500 4/8/03, Frank W. Hughes wrote:
>
> > I have seen it.
> > Frank+
> >
> > Jeff Peterson wrote:
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> > > Re: [Corpus-Paul] Paul the Author
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> > > At 2:45 PM -0500 4/7/03, Frank W. Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > > >  The best example of this approach is Wolfgang Trilling, 
> > > > Untersuchungen zum Zweiten Thessalonicherbrief.  His synthetic 
> > > > approach, I think, changed a lot of minds in Germany about the 
> > > > authorship of 2 Thessalonians.
> > >
> > >
> > > One must see now Abraham Malherbe's AB on Thessalonians, which makes 
> > > a sober case for Pauline authorship of 2 Thess (not driven by 
> > > theological commitments, as Malherbe takes the Pastorals as 
> > > pseudonymous), including response to Trilling's various arguments.
> >
> > > Jeff Peterson
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I think what you have stated is only partially true. &nbsp;There is a range of
reasons why people have argued against Paul's authorship of 2 Thessalonians.
&nbsp;I traced this debate from Hugo Grotius onward in the first 70 or so 
pages
of my dissertation, "Second Thessalonians as a Document of Early Christian
Rhetoric" (Northwestern University 1984). &nbsp;I thought nobody would be 
interested
in that history of scholarship, so I didn't put it into <i>Early Christian
Rhetoric and 2 Thessalonians</i> (JSNTSup 30, 1989). &nbsp;But I published a 
chunk
of it in my article, "Thessalonians, First and Second Letters to the," in
<i>Dictionary of Biblical Interpretation</i>, ed. John H. Hayes (Nashville:
Abingdon, 1999) 2.568-72.<br>
<br>
Frank W. Hughes<br>
Lecturer in New Testament Studies<br>
Codrington College<br>
Barbados<br>
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Jeff Peterson wrote:<br>
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 <div>Permit me to rephrase: maintaining that 2 Thess is pseudonymous requires
answering Malherbe's defense of its Pauline authorship. Stan Stowers 
anticipated
a significant element of this defense with his remark in A REREADING OF ROMANS
that many deny 2 Thess to Paul out of distaste for the eschatology of chap.
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 <div>At 8:07 AM -0500 4/8/03, Frank W. Hughes wrote:</div>

 <blockquote type="cite" cite="">I have seen it.<br>
Frank+<br>
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Jeff Peterson wrote:<br>

   <blockquote type="cite" cite="">Re: [Corpus-Paul] Paul the 
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   <blockquote type="cite" cite="">At 2:45 PM -0500 4/7/03, Frank W. Hughes 
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     <blockquote type="cite" cite="">&nbsp;The best example of this approach 
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Wolfgang Trilling,<i> Untersuchungen zum Zweiten Thessalonicherbrief</i>.
&nbsp;His synthetic approach, I think, changed a lot of minds in Germany about
the authorship of 2 Thessalonians.<br>
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(not driven by theological commitments, as Malherbe takes the Pastorals as
pseudonymous), including response to Trilling's various 
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