Corpus-Paul

[Robert Kraft <kraft AT ccat.sas.upenn.edu>]

Interesting discussion. Is there any reason left to exclude authentic Pauline 
authorship for Laodiceans, 3 Corinthians, Prayer of Paul, and even the Paul 
and 
Seneca correspondence? Surely we can make them fit if we try!

Bob Kraft

> I believe that many people use Pauline forgery (or pseudepigraphy if you
> insist) as an easy 'out' when they come across something that doesn't seem
> to fit, and aren't prepared to go back to square one and basically say "Can
> I make everything 'fit' on the basis that Paul was involved with writing all
> the Paulines?" (Note that I'm here allowing for, say, Luke actually penning
> the Pastorals under Paul's direction).  My contention is that it is possible
> to make everything fit on this basis, and so although Pauline pseudepigraphy
> is possible (I don't see how anyone could ever *prove* that it didn't take
> place), it isn't necessary, and indeed isn't probable.
> 
> Dave Inglis

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>Is there any reason left to exclude authentic Pauline
>authorship for Laodiceans, 3 Corinthians, Prayer of Paul, and even 
>the Paul and
>Seneca correspondence?

How about the absence of these works from P46 and the Muratorian 
Canon, unlike Colossians, Ephesians, et al.?

Jeff Peterson
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Associate Professor of New Testament
Austin Graduate School of Theology
Austin, Texas, USA
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Robert Kraft wrote:

>Interesting discussion. Is there any reason left to exclude authentic
Pauline
>authorship for Laodiceans, 3 Corinthians, Prayer of Paul, and even the Paul
and
>Seneca correspondence? Surely we can make them fit if we try!
>
>Bob Kraft
>
>> I believe that many people use Pauline forgery (or pseudepigraphy if you
>> insist) as an easy 'out' when they come across something that doesn't
seem
>> to fit, and aren't prepared to go back to square one and basically say
"Can
>> I make everything 'fit' on the basis that Paul was involved with writing
all
>> the Paulines?" (Note that I'm here allowing for, say, Luke actually
penning
>> the Pastorals under Paul's direction).  My contention is that it is
possible
>> to make everything fit on this basis, and so although Pauline
pseudepigraphy
>> is possible (I don't see how anyone could ever *prove* that it didn't
take
>> place), it isn't necessary, and indeed isn't probable.
>>
>> Dave Inglis

I think I really should object to my comments being taken out of context.
My comments were *only* meant to refer to the canonical Paulines, as I
suspect Robert Kraft knows.  However, he does have a point.  We probably
should apply the same 'tests' to all the writings supposedly from Paul,
whether currently in the canon or not.  However, whatever the tests are I
suspect we would end up with the same general result:

a)      Some forgeries correct identified as such
b)      Some forgeries incorrectly identified as genuine
c)      Some genuine letters incorrect identified as forgeries
d)      Some genuine letters correct identified as genuine

By modifying the tests we can alter the number of items in categories b) and
c), and eliminate completely either b) *or* c), but we may not be able to
eliminate both b) and c) at the same time.  However, I suspect that any
reasonable set of tests we could devise would identify the items named above
as being in category a), ie. not genuine, every time.

(To anybody who's even remotely interested, all current email SPAM filters
have similar problems: However you set them up, you get false positives
and/or false negatives, and can't get rid of both categories at the same
time.)

Dave Inglis
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