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- From: Craig de Vos <csdevos AT trinity.unimelb.edu.au>
- To: Corpus Paulinum <corpus-paul AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: size of Pauline congregations
- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 10:32:36 +1000
Title: [corpus-paul] Re: size of Pauline congregations
At 9:35 AM +1000 on 14/8/02, John Dickson wrote:
At Jeffrey Gibson's request, here are de Vos' estimates for the three Pauline congregations he studies:
Thessalonica: against J. L. Hill's estimate (75 persons), de Vos proposes just 20-25 persons meeting in an insula workshop.
Corinth: de Vos rejects the usual estimates of about 50 and proposes about 100 persons meeting in several house churches.
Philippi: rejecting Portefaix's and Oakes' approx. 100 persons, de Vos estimates just 30 persons meeting in a small house or insula workshop.
The arguments leading to these estimates are worth considering even if, at times, one wonders if the whole discussion requires a great deal of speculation.
Kind regards,
John Dickson
Department of Ancient History
Macquarie University
Sydney, Australia
Thanks, John for drawing the list's attention to my work.
Of course, any attempt to estimate sizes must involve
speculative reconstruction -- whether it be Murphy-O'Connor's estimate
based on his assumption that the church simply met in a villa
dining-room (and hence could not exceed 50, and would more likely be
30-40 -- St.Paul's Corinth, p156) or my estimate based on a
different configuration.
I had been meaning to respond myself later this morning. In
regards to Corinth, I would like to correct your summary of my work
slightly. I argue that there were several smaller groups meeting on a
regular (maybe weekly) basis in homes (giving rise to the different
factions behind the Corinthian problems). But that the community as a
whole met together less frequently -- perhaps monthly -- following the
'common' pattern of collegia. I also suggested that they may
have met in this larger group in a purpose-built clubroom again, as
did some collegia and Diaspora synagogues (Church and
Community Conflicts, pp203-205).
Craig
--
Rev. Dr. Craig S. de
Vos
Bromby Lecturer in New Testament
Trinity College Theological School
Royal Parade
Parkville VIC 3052
Australia
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size of Pauline congregations,
John Dickson, 08/13/2002
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: size of Pauline congregations, Jeffrey B. Gibson, 08/13/2002
- Re: size of Pauline congregations, John Dickson, 08/13/2002
- Re: size of Pauline congregations, Craig de Vos, 08/13/2002
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