Corpus-Paul

["Liz Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Gundry [mailto:gundry AT westmont.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 9:40 AM
> To: Corpus-paul
> Subject: Re: Gundry and a beginner's guide to the 'new perspective'?
>
>
> 4)  The question isn't whether Paul teaches "getting in" by faith and
> "staying in" by
> works (as in Judaism, according to Sanders, yet with the plus of
> Christ's redemptive
> work), but whether Paul teaches staying in by works or by faith.  If
> Paul teaches staying
> in by faith as well as getting in by faith, he doesn't agree with a
> Judaistic soteriology
> that teaches getting in by faith but staying in by works.
>
I disagree with this presentation of Judaism and I disagree that it is
Sanders' presentation of Palestinian Judaism.  (Does Ed Sanders have an
e-mail address? we could ask him.)  Pehaps tho it isn't relevant to a
discussion of Paul, and only Paul's understanding of Judaism is relevant.

I would like you to note, however, that Sanders spends a lot of time and
energy discussing the role, importance and efficacy of atonement in Judaism.
Do you think it is Sanders' view that you are "out" in the time between the
sin and the atonement for it?  By no means. The availability of atonement
exists within the covenant and because of the covenant.  The availability of
atonement exists for the Jew at all times. This is because even the sinning
sinful Jew is *in* the covenant.

Liz

Lisbeth S. Fried
Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies
New York University
51 Washington Sq. S.
New York, NY 10012
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