Corpus-Paul

["kosala@md2" <kosala AT md2.vsnl.net.in>]

Dear Mr. Mark and dear Mr. Moon,

The discussion you both had on Dikaiosunh was interesting. What I found was
that it was like a play between two who like to play.

In my opinion, it is clear that Paul is referring to the contrast-situation
found with the Jews. Paul is not ambigous here or anywhere in this epistle
about the reason which he mentions here, as to what is THE  requirement for
the salvation.

Kishore
Professor, Pastor and Social-activist

-----Original Message-----
From: moon-ryul jung <moon AT saint.soongsil.ac.kr>
To: Corpus-paul <corpus-paul AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: (To Nanos) DIKAIOSUNH and Jews-Gentile Relations


>Dear Mark, it would be exciting to experience yet another shift of
>paradigm! But to be successful, the shift of paradigm needs
>stubborn opponents. Let me play that role for the sake of arguments,
>at the least.
>
>[Moon]
>>What about Rom 9:32: Why? Because they did not persue it by faith,
>>but as if it were by works (hOTI OUK EK PISTEWS ALL WS EX ERGWN)?
>
>[Mark]
>What is your question? It seems to me that Paul is explaining the response
>to gentile inclusion, will it be by works (i.e., proselyte conversion, not
>the doing of Law by Jewish people) or by miraculous inclusion by faith
>of/in Christ?
>
>[Moon]
>I do not understand your comments. Rom 9:32 provides to the fact
>that  ISRAHL DE DIWKWN NOMON DIKAIOSUNHS EIS NOMON OUK EFQASEN
>(Israel who was seeking the law of righteousnes did not attain the law).
>
>Paul said that they failed to attain the law of righteousness,
>BECAUSE  they did not seek it OUK EK PISTEWS ALL' WS EX ERGWN
>(not by faith, but as if by works). Here the issue is NOT about
>Gentile inclusion, whether by faith of/in Christ or
>by proselyte conversion, BUT about why the Jews themselves failed
>to attain the law of righteousness.
>
>I also think that  ERGWN refers to identity marks of Jews, not doing of the
>law. But the context seems to indicate that the adherence to the
>identity marks caused Jews to seek the law OUK EK PISTEWS.
>So, why do you think that the section including 9:32 has to do with
>Jewish response to Gentile inclusion, not with their own fate?
>
>Respectfully
>
>Moon-Ryul Jung
>Assistant Professor
>Dept of Computer Science
>Soongsil University
>Seoul, Korea
>
>
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