Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion

[Danyl Strype <strypey AT disintermedia.net.nz>]

Kia ora koutou

Brian, I fear I've come across as 'more PC than thou' ;) Aroha mai. No
offence was intended. I was not presuming to have the mana to give
CreativeCommons a name in Te Reo myself. I shared those words in Te
Reo in the spirit of collaboration and agile development - 'release
early, release often'. Since it's brought to light the work you've
done on naming, I'm glad I did.

I think it's essential to transcend and include any work that's been
done thus far on the indigenous license project in any future
development, in the spirit of remix and reuse ;) I look forward to
learning more about the indigenous licence work that's been done so
far, and sharing my own perspectives. Thanks to Aroha, I'm now
subscribed to the Conservations Commons list, and following an
in-depth discussion about the complexities of indigenous knowledge,
which I will inform the paper I'm writing.

You're absolutely right that a translation is much better than a
transliteration. 'Te Puna Mātauranga' is a much more lyrical name,
with greater depth of meaning, than 'Te Whare Pukapuka o Aotearoa'
would have been. Your approach was respectful of the integrity of Te
Reo Māori, and at the end of the day, respect is the most important
thing in these matters. Thanks for this, and for all the great work
you have put into CC ANZ.

Ka nui te mihi
Danyl

2010/6/23 Brian Opie <Brian.Opie AT vuw.ac.nz>:
> Hi Danyl
>
> It's work I was doing, and I doubt that any further work has been done 
> during this transition phase. That's just as well, because I think that the 
> next step is for the Board when appointed to do a thorough review of 
> progress, including taking submissions from anyone interested in what 
> should be done and how. One thing they'll need to consider is whether the 
> position which had been reached on the proposal for an indigenous licence 
> should continue to build on that work or should be approached in a 
> different way. The coming conference on indigenous IP which Jane circulated 
> information about is an immediate context where these matters should be 
> explored, for example.
>
> I accepted that there is an important protocol associated with being given 
> (not finding or taking) a Maori name. Maori scholars were consulted, a 
> critical point being that a Maori name should originate from its own 
> language and bring that history of meanings with it, rather than simply 
> being a transliteration of English words. I don't expect, for one moment, 
> that this is the only right way of approaching this matter, but I think 
> it's consistent with the larger goal you affirm of mutual recognition and 
> use of both languages. The next stage in the indigenous licence project was 
> to be an extensive consultation, of the kind you have in mind.
>
> Brian
>
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> Kia ora koutou
>
> Brian, thanks for this. Do you know who was responsible for following
> up the naming issue with Te Taura Whiri, and where they are at with
> this?
>
> My assumptions is that these kinds of relationships and projects that
> were being handled by the Council will be handled in future by the
> proposed CC ANZ board/ steering group. This transition will be
> smoother if all of the work in progress is documented, including
> things have had drifted onto the backburner, so the board can follow
> them up once it is in place.
>
> With all due respect to organisations that have made the effort to
> formalise a name in Te Reo Maori, this alone is a token effort. In my
> opinion a commitment to moving beyond monocultural development
> requires more of us. In this context, consulting widely with Tāngata
> Whenua and their organisations, especially those who have experience
> with community and project development frameworks, can only be
> beneficial. Keeping that in mind I will follow up the contact Emily
> has offered.
>
> Ngā mihi nui
> Danyl
>
> On 22 June 2010 16:08, Brian Opie <Brian.Opie AT vuw.ac.nz> wrote:
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> Can I make a suggestion on the matter of Maori names? The discussions as a 
>> far as they went about a CC Indigenous licence were conducted under the 
>> auspices of Te Taurawhiri i te Reo Maori  The Maori Language Commission, 
>> and the advice taken by the Council for the Humanities on the use of Maori 
>> names and titles was also taken from that source. A conversation had begun 
>> about an appropriate name for CCANZ, but it was not finalised.
>>
>> I think remains the best way of achieving a name which can have national 
>> standing.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On 21/06/10 9:57 AM, "Jane Hornibrook" <janehornibrook AT gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd be keen to Skype in if you're near a computer and Internet, otherwise 
>> just flick me some notes afterwards :)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jane
>>
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>>   1. Otautahi/ Christchurch meetup, lunchtime, Monday 21 June
>>      (Danyl Strype)
>>   2. Re: Otautahi/ Christchurch meetup, lunchtime, Monday 21 June
>>      (Emily Strange)
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Danyl Strype" <strypey AT riseup.net>
>> To: cc-nz <cc-nz AT lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:37:24 +1200
>> Subject: [Cc-nz] Otautahi/ Christchurch meetup, lunchtime, Monday 21 June
>> Kia ora koutou
>>
>> A few of us in Otautahi are going to have an informal chat about CC 
>> Aotearoa/ NZ over lunch on Monday 21 June. If you are keen to join us, and 
>> you haven't been in touch with me yet, please give me a call/text 021 11 
>> 77 578.
>>
>> Ma te wa
>> Danyl
>>
>> BTW Thinking about possible translations of CreativeCommons in Te Reo 
>> Maaori.
>> Atamai - 'common', as in common sense, also 'intellect'
>> Whakaaro ngatahi - 'co-operative' (whakaaro = 'thought', ngatahi = 
>> 'common', as in common consent)
>> Arongatahi - 'combine'
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believe any of the messages we give them [about drugs]."
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