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  • From: Danyl Strype <strypey AT disintermedia.net.nz>
  • To: Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand discussion <cc-nz AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-nz] notes from today's CC meet-up
  • Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:32:37 +1200

CC ANZ Ōtautahi/ Christchurch Meet-up
EGressive Offices
in the Effusion Cluster of IT companies, 4th floor, Kenton Chambers

Monday 21 June, 2010

Present:
Jonathan (HuntDesign/ EGressive)
Dave, and Josh (EGressive)
Julian (Seradigm)
Danyl (Disintermedia)
Nick (friend of Strypey, investigative researcher)

Discussion was fairly informal, and covered a wide range of topics in
a fairly short time. There was a general consensus in favour of
transparent and accountable decision-making and management processes
for CC ANZ, and approval of the idea of a steering group/ board with
reps from all sectors where CC licences are (or could be) used.

Discussion began with a short discussion of a number of documentary
videos on information commons issues, including
- R.I.P: A Remix Manifesto
- Good Copy, Bad Copy
- Steal This Film (i, ii, and iii)

Strypey gave a background on the organisational development of CC ANZ,
and the development of cc.org.nz up til the present, including the
inclusion of CC in the NZ GOAL framework, and the current situation
with MoRST funding and the need to establish a board/ steering group
to manage CC in consultation with RSNZ. A number of conversations spun
off from this discussion.

- Julian applauded the job done by Jane Hornibrook as the CC ANZ
administrator, and only paid staff member, managing the transition of
MoU from Council for the Humanities to RSNZ, consensus of all present
on that one. Recognition also to Stephanie Pietkiewicz's support and
advocacy as the director of Humanities Research Network during this
transition.

- website development: Strypey keen for CC ANZ board to have as much
freedom as possible to manage cc.org.nz, independently of RSNZ's IT
arrangements, to allow for agile development with full participation
of CC community members. Obviously, this would depend on both funding
available for the site as part of education, promotion, and evaluation
(see statistics discussion below), as well as willingness of community
to offer their time and skills gratis beyond what funding can cover.
EGressive are offering sponsored hosting and development for a rebuild
of cc.org.nz. They strongly recommend Drupal as a platform - it's a
mature free/ libre codebase, with existing modules for integration of
CC metadata, and already in use by both CC.org and CC Oz.

- the nzacditt.org.nz website Josh is developing for New Zealand
Association of Computing and Digital Information Technology Teachers.
Classroom resources for technology teachers in secondary schools,
licensed under CC. Potential synergy with the WikiEducator project
(wikieducator.org). Extended discussion of potential barriers to CC
licensing (possible threat to existing commercial publishing of
resource packs, institutional ownership of staff
copyright in employment contract), the definitional boundaries of
'non-commercial', and the enforcability of CC licence conditions.

[Jonathan adds: Need for resources like TKI (Te Kete Ipurangi)
Creative Directions
be more CC aware/ compatible:
http://www.tki.org.nz/r/media_studies/creative-directions/index_e.php]

- CC ANZ as a potential APRA-style enforcer of CC user rights,
analagous to the Free Software Foundation legally defending the
conditions of the GNU General Public License through the work of the
Software Freedom Law Center

- Open Source Society, and InternetNZ and potential alternative host
organisations for CC ANZ if for some reason working under RSNZ proved
ineffective

- some discussion of the benefits of RSNZ as our umbrella, including
their prestige in wider society and especially their reputation as
expert advisors to government on science and technology, their
institutional stability, experience with seeking and managing funding,
which helps us cover admin, development, and community engagement
expenses. Also benefits in expanding CC into the science and
technology research sector, CC-licensing of academic journals and
institutional repositories etc.

- this segued into a discussion of applying CC licenses to datasets.
Some concerns were raised about whether copyright applies to datasets
under NZ law. Question was asked whether Lessig has written about
this? Mention of cases on both Oz and NZ where copyrights on datasets
have been struck down in court. Strypey suggested CC ANZ could work
with stakeholders on these sorts of edge cases, facilitating
development of new licenses or frameworks for materials not within the
jurisdiction of 'copyleft' and CC licences.

[Jonathan adds: The relation of CC to datasets is somewhat explained
by the notes at
http://blog.e.govt.nz/index.php/nzgoal/appendix-2-key-features-of-new-zealand-copyright-law/]

- in relation to the open datasets issues, there was mention of
Fabiana Kubke, a neurological researcher and advocate of open science:
[Jonathan adds: http://twitter.com/kubke
She was involved in PublicACTA, PLoS etc.
http://buildingblogsofscience.wordpress.com/]

- hackfest: Jonathan suggested holding a CC hackfest, to bring
together tech people who are keen to help develop technological
extensions of CC licensing. This would have the conversation and
inspiration benefits of a conference, plus achieve a set of technical
goals, eg
- production-ready CC plug-ins for popular CMS platforms like
Drupal, Wordpress, Plone/ Zope etc.
- Adding CC licensing to content on your site.
- Building widgets, apps etc. to use CC-licensed content.
- Creating widgets, apps, resources to promote CC in NZ.

A good model is the DigitalNZ hackfest
http://www.digitalnz.org/developer/hackfest
http://www.digitalnz.org/blog/news/article-digitalnz-hackfest-christchurch

- museums/ libraries/ archives sector - mourned the loss of Paul
Reynolds as a staunch CC advocate in this sector (as well as public
broadcasting). Need for more engagement to achieve outcomes like CC
licensing of publicly funded reference works like Te Ara (potential
for synergy with Aotearoa/ NZ section of Wikipedia), and relaxing of
rules on making digital reproductions of displays (eg photos of museum
displays) which can be CC-licensed. [Strypey adds: would be good to
approach LIANZ about running a workshop or presentation on libre
knowledge (library = libre?), including CC, for National Digital
Forum. Paul Reynolds
memorial workshop/ lecture?].

- statistics: metrics on license use (eg number of users, number of
items licensed etc), proportion of different licenses used, comparison
to other jurisdictions. Are these being collected, and could this be a
feature of the redeveloped site? Dave suggested on-the-fly tracking of
links back to the license pages could be used as one way of collecting
these.

- Open Government BarCamp: Julian going to this, Mon 28 June, Te
Whanganui-a-Tara. Turns out the event organised this year by Microsoft
:{ Pros of going would be to counter any attempt to plateau
developments towards open government to protect entrenched vendors,
cons would be implicitly validating the 'openness' of a clearly
vendor-specific trade show by attending. Open Government Ninja email
list was mentioned.

[Jonathan adds: You may want to join the Open Govt movement in NZ:
The 2009 barcamp is at
http://groups.google.co.nz/group/nzopengovtbarcamp
HQ is at http://open.org.nz/ and
http://groups.opengovt.org.nz/groups/ninja-talk

The Microsoft event is
http://www.opengov2010.org.nz/]

--
"I think we have to tell the truth, because if we don't, people don't
believe any of the messages we give them [about drugs]."
- Professor David Nutt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/8703198.stm



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