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- From: Tim Olsen <tolsen718 AT gmail.com>
- To: discussion of the Creative Commons Metadata work <cc-metadata AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited
- Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:37:00 -0500
On 12/23/05, Mike Linksvayer <ml AT creativecommons.org> wrote:
> A long time ago there was some discussion concerning license metadata in
> files disassociated from the web, eg
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/cc-metadata/2003-June/000123.html
>
> In retrospect the conclusion to shove a simultaneously semi human
> readable and semi machine parseable statement in the "TCOP" field was
> dumb. It isn't very readable, isn't exposed by programs if it were,
> isn't translatable, and is hideous from the perspective of machine
> parsing.
>
> We're going to release recommendations for embedding similar web-backed
> notices in several other file formats over the next year, so now may be
> a good time to correct the original mistake, create a new recommendation
> for MP3/ID3, and replicate that recommendation elsewhere. (There isn't
> that much properly marked content out there using the existing
> recommendation, and only a few programs that look for compliant embedded
> metadata, all of which I suspect would be glad to comply with a saner
> standard.)
>
> The new recommendation would probably be to use two fields specifically
> intended to contain URLs and only URLs. For ID3v2, those might be
>
> WCOP (pointing to a license URL)
> Definition: http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0.html#WCOP
> Example value: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/
>
> WOAF (pointing to a web page describing a file, potentially including
> license information/metadata)
> Definition: http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0.html#WOAF
> Example value: http://example.com/a_song_sung_by_me.html
>
I'd say go with WCOP. This way a publisher has the option of having a
different link for WOAF.
Where will the verification url go?
> Note that these map to current use of licenses and metadata on web pages
> -- the license notice points to a CC license URL, and describes the
> current page (the current page is its own "official page").
>
> Comments? Suggestions for implementation in other formats? I'm
> particularly interested in EXIF, MP4/QT and OGG at this point.
Ogg has a LICENSE field which they say can be used for (among other
things) a URL pointing to the license. See
http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html
MP4 has a Copyright Atom. See pages 36 - 37 of
http://mediaxw.sourceforge.net/files/doc/MPEG%204%20System.pdf
It's exact format is not specified in that document. I wonder how, if
at all, any MP4 files are using that atom.
It might be difficult to persuade every file format owner to add a tag
that is specifically for a license (and/or verification) url. The
nice thing about the semi-readable/parseable license statement is that
we can use any field that relates to copyright or licenses.
Furthermore, I don't think the current license statement is so hideous
for a machine to parse. Only the content after the words "verify at"
is constrained - at least that's my reading of
http://creativecommons.org/technology/mp3 and
http://creativecommons.org/technology/ogg.
What can be hideous though, is if some programs are becoming dependent
on what may be becoming a de-facto format: <year> <copyright holder>.
Licensed to the public under <licenseurl> verify at <verification url>
A more specific specification as to what a "CC-compliant"
publisher/reader should or should not depend on may help here. (a la
RFC-style)
-Tim
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[cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited,
Mike Linksvayer, 12/23/2005
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Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited,
Lucas Gonze, 12/23/2005
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Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited,
Mike Linksvayer, 12/23/2005
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Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited,
Lucas Gonze, 12/23/2005
- Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited, Mike Linksvayer, 12/23/2005
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Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited,
Lucas Gonze, 12/23/2005
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Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited,
Mike Linksvayer, 12/23/2005
- [cc-metadata] Exif (was Re: non-web embedding revisited), Mike Linksvayer, 12/23/2005
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Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited,
Tim Olsen, 12/23/2005
- Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited, Tim Olsen, 12/23/2005
- Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited, Mike Linksvayer, 12/23/2005
- [cc-metadata] Ogg (was Re: non-web embedding revisited), Mike Linksvayer, 12/23/2005
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Re: [cc-metadata] non-web embedding revisited,
Lucas Gonze, 12/23/2005
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