discussion of the Creative Commons Metadata work

[Ben Hammersley <ben AT benhammersley.com>]

ahhhh. That changes things a lot - great! Thanks, Lisa!

So, I can use <dc:creator> as a string without the CCL being 
invalidated...So the only debate is the wider RDF one of whether 
<dc:creator> can be a string at all, ever, in any arena. Which is a 
much wider thing altogether - and should really be taken to the Dublin 
Core and RDF working groups, and off this list?

Right?

On Sunday, December 29, 2002, at 12:45 AM, Lisa Rein wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> Just a note to make sure that no one is confusing the validity of the 
> RDF (will the RDF work in CC metadata-compatible processors) to the 
> validity of the CC License itself, the legality of which cannot be 
> validated or invalidated based on the RDF someone uses.
>
> Thanks,
>
> lisa
>
> Ben Hammersley wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 28, 2002, at 12:55 PM, Ben Hammersley wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 11:06 PM, Shelley Powers wrote:
> > >
> > > > However, regardless of personal view of this, you're pushing a form 
> > > > of
> > > > dc:creator that now differs from the documentation that exists at 
> > > > Dublin
> > > > Core _in published form_ and that exists in many many many 
> > > > applications,
> > > > including every use of RSS actively supported (RSS 1.0 and 2.0), 
> > > > most
> > > > weblogging uses, and I bet several other applications. Just 
> > > > something to
> > > > note.
> > >
> > >
> > > ARRRRRGHHHHHHH
> > >
> > > Right. Here's the thing. Simple question for Aaron and Lisa, and I 
> > > want a simple yes/no answer. If the word 'huh' appears in any 
> > > answer, I swear to god someone is going to get beaten.
> > >
> > > And the question is thus:
> > >
> > > Is the RDF representation of the CCL still valid with a string 
> > > literal form of <dc:creator> ?
> > I know this might seem painful, but I really need an answer. Both 
> > Shelley and I are finishing ORA books that will contain the CC RDF 
> > representation, and mine at least is very very close to going to the 
> > printers. There is also the RSS 1.0 module at large, and Dave Winer's 
> > self-proclaimed "CCL for all plain XML" spec. People are implementing 
> > this with string-literal dc:creator *right*now* (or without regard to 
> > dc at all). It's in the RSS validator as of this morning, for one 
> > thing.
> > Whatever the answer, I need to know for my proofs, Shelley needs to 
> > know for her first draft, and everyone else needs to know for their 
> > code. It's not yet a case of bad-spec-runaway, but it may soon be if 
> > people are not advised properly. This is really important.
> > Ben
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