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Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues
- From: Federico Morando <federico.morando AT gmail.com>
- To: Development of Creative Commons licenses <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues
- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:17:56 +0200
On 09/17/2013 01:34 AM, Kat Walsh
wrote:
CAHpdBSTrecfLR2udA5ud8tOVeoyXhVA0tb9M+DykXSYFrgptag AT mail.gmail.com" type="cite">I'd like to summarize the main points of a long discussion within the working group of CC Italy (apologies to Diane and the other members of the legal team if this includes some issues we already discussed): - we fully share the goal of Section 2(a)(5)(A) as summarized above by Kat; - however we do not support the wording adopted in the sentence "Every recipient of Adapted Material from You automatically receives an offer from the Licensor to exercise the Licensed Rights in the Adapted Material subject to the terms and conditions of Your Adapter’s License.": -- in fact, we think that there are no Licensor's rights in the Adapted Material, apart from rights which are already "mediated" by the Adapter's License; --- (in this sense, we agree with Parker Higgins' message on this list: the fact that the only conditions to respect are the ones of the Adapter's License should be uncontroversial... but this is the case because this already applies under our interpretation of the 3.0 licenses!); -- therefore and finally, we suggest to use an alternative wording (replacing "Every recipient ... License."): "However, for the avoidance of doubt, with respect to the Adapted Material, every recipient of Adapted Material from You shall be subject to the terms and conditions of the Adapter’s License (e.g., recipients shall attribute the Licensor in the manner required by the Adapter’s License)." The "However" is meant to differentiate the situation described in the previous sentence (concerning the Licensor's rights in the Licensed Material) from the situation described in the following sentence, which concerns the Adapted Material alone. Of course, and in any case, as Sarah said on this list, if somebody extracts only the original work from the adaptation (where that is possible), then the terms of the original license apply. And this is indeed clarified by the first sentence in Section 2(a)(5)(A). Our goal, with the previous statement (the one in bold type), is to clarify that respecting the latest Adapter's License downstream is a sufficient condition to respect the entire chain of licenses, and in particular that you just need to look at the latest attribution requirements downstream. The specific example is just meant to help people (who didn't follow our discussions here) to understand the meaning of an otherwise seemingly tautological sentence. (I'm going to provide other specific pieces of feedback with separate emails.) Thanks and best regards, Federico --
----------------------------------- Federico MORANDO Director of Research and Policy & Research Fellow NEXA Center for Internet & Society Politecnico di Torino - DAUIN Corso Duca degli Abruzzi, 24 10129 TORINO - ITALY tel.: +39 011 090 5954 fax: +39 011 090 7216 mob: +39 339 7507974 mail: federico.morando AT polito.it web: http://nexa.polito.it |
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Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues
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- Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues, drew Roberts, 09/18/2013
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Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues,
Federico Morando, 09/18/2013
- Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues, Sarah Pearson, 09/26/2013
- Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues, Gregory Maxwell, 09/18/2013
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Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues,
Francesco Poli, 09/17/2013
- Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues, Sandra Lippiatt, 09/17/2013
- Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues, Francesco Poli, 09/18/2013
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Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues,
Rob Myers, 09/17/2013
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Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues,
Gregory Maxwell, 09/18/2013
- Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues, Sarah Pearson, 09/18/2013
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Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues,
Gregory Maxwell, 09/18/2013
- Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues, Federico Morando, 09/18/2013
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Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues,
Federico Morando, 09/18/2013
- Re: [cc-licenses] Draft 4 discussion period: license drafts and open issues, Sarah Pearson, 09/18/2013
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