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- From: Evan Prodromou <evan AT prodromou.name>
- To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion
- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:03:32 -0400
On Thu, 2006-10-08 at 15:34 -0400, Greg London wrote:
Another example like this would be source code for GPL'd works. You can't execute it directly (for a compiled language), but you need to have it around to read and understand the program as well as to make modified versions.You make a non-DRM version available, you can copy it, you can distribute it, you can even modify it. But you can't play the damn thing because the only thing that can play it is PS2, and PS2 is DRM'ed.
Unless you modify it to work on another platform. Porting between encoding systems and platforms is not an insuperable barrier and is fairly commonplace. Especially for creative works that may be incorporated into a game (images, video, music, text), it may be quite easy.I don't think it's sufficient to require non-DRM copies of DRM works, because the copy isn't much good if the only way to play it, read it, use it, is through a PS2 or an iPod or some other DRM'ed hardware.
I think it's extremely different. If there is a cleartext copy, downstream users can modify and extract parts of the program for their own needs, or port it to another platform. It's not an optimal situation, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of choice for satisfying the needs of both developers and users.Yes, it woudl be nice if Alice could play Bob's game on her PS2, but if Charlie doesn't have a PS2, and the DMCA prevents him from running a PS2 simulator on his PC, then this is little different than allowing proprietary forks for oddball cases.
Sony's not going to change their platform for us. They're just not. Millions of users aren't going to throw out their PS2's because they can't play Free Content games on them. It's not going to happen. So the question becomes whether we're going to hamstring Free Software developers who want to port to this kind of platform. What purpose does it serve, besides restricting the freedom of those developers?
Again, I'll contrast to Free Software applications running on proprietary operating systems. If the GPL had forbidden running or developing a Free app on a propriety OS, there would be no Free Software today.
Letting people make their own accommodations with the increasingly DRM'd world means we will see Free Content on more platforms, not less. Turning up our nose and saying that our content is too good for DRM'd platforms won't stop DRM; it'll just impede the distribution of Free Content.
I don't like DRM. I think it sucks. But license provisions are the wrong place to fight it.
~Evan
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Re: [cc-licenses] CC 3 and Circumvention [Was Re: Version 3.0 - Public Discussion]
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- Re: [cc-licenses] CC 3 and Circumvention [Was Re: Version 3.0 - Public Discussion], Peter Brink, 08/15/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] CC 3 and Circumvention [Was Re: Version 3.0 - Public Discussion], Greg London, 08/15/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] CC 3 and Circumvention [Was Re: Version 3.0 - Public Discussion], drew Roberts, 08/15/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Terry Hancock, 08/14/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Evan Prodromou, 08/10/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Greg London, 08/10/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/10/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Greg London, 08/10/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
rob, 08/11/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Paul Keller, 08/11/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Evan Prodromou, 08/11/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Rob Myers, 08/11/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Evan Prodromou, 08/11/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Paul Keller, 08/11/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Luis Villa, 08/11/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Paul Keller, 08/12/2006
- Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion, Terry Hancock, 08/12/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Paul Keller, 08/11/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
rob, 08/11/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Greg London, 08/10/2006
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Re: [cc-licenses] Version 3.0 - Public Discussion,
Evan Prodromou, 08/10/2006
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