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[Christian Villum <villum AT creativecommons.dk>]

Hi John and Gwen,

Exciting stuff indeed.

Based on the Danish case, where the pilot has been running since 2007, I would emphasize the need for participating collecting societies to clearly make information available to their members. In the Danish case CC-info is buried deeply on their website; resulting in very few members diving in. So if possible, perhaps stipulating some kind of obligation for collecting societies to present information in a fashion that's easily findable? (for instance, 1 click from front page or something similar).

On the more practical side down the road: In Denmark we've had some success establishing credibility for CC use among the critical segment of the local collecting society staff and members by organizing meet-ups to discuss the pros and cons of CC-licensing in an open forum. It's my experience that this sort of face to face interaction diminish some of the die-hard opposition that is bound to occur if and when more pilots are rolled out. Here it moved many harsh critics from calling us names (almost) to actually saying that while it's not for them it's still good to allow collecting society members to have a choice. 

Having people meet in person also creates a much more polite tone in general :)

-Christian

-v

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Melanie Dulong de Rosnay <melanie.ddr AT gmail.com> wrote:

Dear John and all,

Good news.
I recommend to not accept a definition of NC which is not the one of
the licences.
Besides incompatibilities, if the scope slides towards public/private
distinction, it can lead to exclude legitimate usages by key
communities (with the Sacem pilot, public libraries, public radios,
became out of the scope of what they consider NC).
I wish you good luck to also get compatibility with non-NC licences.
It could also be nice and useful to submit possible
definitions/pilots/terms proposed to negotiation to the CCi list too
even if they are not Europeans.

Best,
Melanie

2014-06-17 17:57 GMT+01:00 John Weitzmann <johnweitzmann AT creativecommons.org>:

> Hi all,
>
> it looks like in the first half of July we (CC HQ + Board + Europe RCs) will
> have a meeting with the international association of collecting societies,
> called GESAC, on implications and practical implementation of the recent EU
> Directive on collective management of copyright, for details see
> http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/copyright/management/index_en.htm
>
> As you know there have been several pilot projects of collecting societies
> integrating CC licenses into their mechanics. Not all of these were withoug
> criticism. Because of the Directive we now have the situation where
> something similar to these pilots is more or less mandatory for all
> collecting societies. The basics and practical sides of this will probably
> be at the center of our conversation with GESAC.
>
> Leading up to the meeting we'd like to collect comments, ideas and other
> hints you might have for us. What do you think we should aim for at the
> talks? What are the NO GOs from your perspective? What kind of outcome would
> benefit you in your work as a CC Affiliate? What in your impression are the
> most pressing needs of artists around collective management (not only
> regarding music)?
>
> Let us know on or off list ...
>
> Best
> John & Gwen
>

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