Skip to Content.
Sympa Menu

b-hebrew - Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...

b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Biblical Hebrew Forum

List archive

Chronological Thread  
  • From: Stephen Shead <sshead.email AT gmail.com>
  • To: "b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>, "rolf.furuli AT sf-nett.no" <rolf.furuli AT sf-nett.no>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] G.Gertoux and the Name...
  • Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:53:16 +1000

Dear Rolf,

(Sigh)... You keep doing this, and I simply don't have time to respond every time. But you keep repeating the same arguments, as if they stand unchallenged, yet you still have not responded to my refutations of exactly these arguments. I refer to your reply to Bryant:

RF: The word "must" above is not warranted  and misrepresents my arguments. I have pointed out that the NT manuscripts from the second century  contain KS as do the LXX manuscripts of the same age.This means that someone changed the NT text in the same way as the LXX text was changed. Therefore, something different from KS was written in the NT autographs. We do not know what that word was, but because KS is a substitute for YHWH in the LXX, most likely it is a substitute for YHWH in the NT as well. Corroborating this conclusion is the fact that the Tanakh says that the name YHWH should be used for ever, and no one have so far presented good reasons for why the NT writers  should substitute YHWH with KURIOS in quotes from the Tanakh. Your words about arguing from silence are strange, because everyone must argue from silence. We do not know how the name of God was written in the NT autographs, so also those who believe that the original NT contained KURIOS,  argue from silence.

1. This does *not* mean that "someone changed the NT text in the same way as the LXX text was changed", nor that "something different from KS was written in the NT autographs". That is pure conjecture. Moreover, I am still waiting for an answer to a very simple question: Does not the evidence of the LXX and NT manuscripts, according to Hurtado's analysis of the nomina sacra, lend more support to the following line of influence?

LXX MSS (YHWH/IAO)  -->  NT (??)  -->  all early NT MSS (KS)  -->  LXX MSS (KS)

If so, I have said that your argument loses even its semblance of logic. Do you disagree? Why? Somebody at some stage began to use KS in Greek texts to refer to the divine Name. You think the NT authors couldn't have done so. But you have no evidence for this, despite your repetition of the same arguments.

2. I have presented in some detail reasons for why the NT writers should have used KURIOS in referring to YHWH. Whether or not those reasons are "good" ones is up to others to judge and comment on. You have not responded or refuted these, so please do not say that no one has done so.

Best regards,
Stephen Shead.



Archive powered by MHonArc 2.6.24.

Top of Page