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- From: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
- To: Dave Washburn <davidlwashburn AT gmail.com>
- Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>, "Nir cohen - Prof. Mat." <nir AT ccet.ufrn.br>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D
- Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 14:34:36 -0700
Dave:
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Dave Washburn <davidlwashburn AT gmail.com> wrote:
I'd be interested to see more development of this idea, because I've noticed just the opposite: words mean what they mean because a society chooses to use them that way. An English examples is "strike", which mean "hit" in bowling but "miss" in baseball.>A second point that I’ve noticed is that when one looks at a term that appears to have multiple meanings, when one looks at the underlying >action, what one finds is the same action applied to different contexts.
“Strike” is brought up repeatedly, as the exception that proves the rule. Even within baseball, the use includes a “hit”, an indication that here we’re talking about a very specialized use of the term. The same is true in bowling, a specialized type of “hit”.
I think you're describing an idiom with this example. I'm not sure there's a difference between an idiomatic usage and a "complex lexeme," but there it is.
>A third point, one must differentiate between simple lexemes and complex lexemes. A complex lexeme is where two or more words are >combined to give a different meaning than what each single word has: e.g. “to fish out” has a different meaning than “to fish”.
A complex lexeme is where two terms used together make a meaning that is not included in either term used independently.
An idiom can be a complex lexeme, or often a single term, used in a way that often softens harsh reality, e.g. in Biblical Hebrew, )BD “to be(come) lost” used idiomatically to refer to death. A similar example from English in a conversation talking about a person’s death, the context indicates “He passed last Thursday” uses “passed” as a shortened use of the idiom “passed away” to refer to “died”.
These uses fit within the “few exceptions” I mentioned in my previous message.
Karl W. Randolph.
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K Randolph, 05/02/2013
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Pere Porta, 05/02/2013
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David Kolinsky, 05/02/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D, K Randolph, 05/02/2013
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David Kolinsky, 05/02/2013
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Pere Porta, 05/02/2013
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[b-hebrew] Y(D,
Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 05/03/2013
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Isaac Fried, 05/03/2013
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Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 05/03/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D, Isaac Fried, 05/05/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D,
Nir cohen - Prof. Mat., 05/03/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D,
K Randolph, 05/04/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D,
Dave Washburn, 05/04/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D, K Randolph, 05/04/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D,
Dave Washburn, 05/04/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D,
Isaac Fried, 05/03/2013
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Re: [b-hebrew] Y(D,
K Randolph, 05/02/2013
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