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- From: Mike Burke <michaelgburk AT yahoo.com>
- To: George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>, "b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ובלחם
- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>...I think even HALOT here has overstated things. It mentions Isa 28.28 and
36.17 as meaning 'grain for food'. But in both those cases, the text
may imply grain, but only does so in the sense that it's 'incipient'
bread. It's a bit like us talking about
getting petrol from the ground. What that would mean is getting oil,
which is then processed into petrol. But petrol doesn't actually mean
oil. By talking about 'bread' in those two references, the texts are
merely stating what goes into the making of 'bread'.
I'm open to correction on that, but the word itself doesn't mean
'grain' as far as I can see.<<<<
I'm interested in the semantic range of this word.
Does anyone know if the word is ever used (outside the Bible) to mean grain?
Are there any Midrash on Isa. 28:28 or 36:17?
From: George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ובלחם
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I'm interested in the semantic range of this word.
Does anyone know if the word is ever used (outside the Bible) to mean grain?
Are there any Midrash on Isa. 28:28 or 36:17?
From: George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>
To: "b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ובלחם
I wouldn't go with Strong's lexicon for determining meanings and semantic ranges. It would be much better to go with HALOT.
But I think even HALOT here has overstated things. It mentions Isa 28.28 and 36.17 as meaning 'grain for food'. But in both those cases, the text may imply grain, but only does so in the sense that it's 'incipient' bread. It's a bit like us talking about
getting petrol from the ground. What that would mean is getting oil, which is then processed into petrol. But petrol doesn't actually mean oil. By talking about 'bread' in those two references, the texts are merely stating what goes into the making of 'bread'.
I'm open to correction on that, but the word itself doesn't mean 'grain' as far as I can see.
From: Mike Burke <michaelgburk AT yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Mike Burke <michaelgburk AT yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, 10 April 2013 2:22 PM
To: George Athas <george.athas AT moore.edu.au>, B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ובלחם
Reply-To: Mike Burke <michaelgburk AT yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, 10 April 2013 2:22 PM
To: George Athas <george.athas AT moore.edu.au>, B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ובלחם
>>>>No. לחם can mean food, or more specifically 'bread', but not grain.<<<<
So James D. Strong was wrong when he defined the word as follows?
So James D. Strong was wrong when he defined the word as follows?
- bread, food, grain
- bread
- bread
- bread-corn
- food (in general)
- bread
Michael Burke
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Mike Burke, 04/11/2013
- Re: [b-hebrew] ובלחם, George Athas, 04/11/2013
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- Re: [b-hebrew] ובלחם, George Athas, 04/11/2013
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