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  • From: Harold Holmyard <hholmyard3 AT earthlink.net>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Jeremiah 17:9
  • Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:28:54 -0500

Hi, Michael,

The Greek at Jer 17:9 does have the word "deep," but I think it is a weak translation. "Deep" or "complicated" are not necessarily negative ideas, but the context of Jer 17:1-6 can favor a negative idea, and the immediate context of verse 9 does so in the parallelism with the idea of the heart being incurably sick. See how Jeremiah uses the same root word in the verb form in Jer 9:4:

Jeremiah 9:4 Everyone has to be on guard against his friend. Don't trust any brother, for every brother will certainly deceive, and every friend spread slander. (Jer 9:4 CSB)

"Certainly deceive" is the infinitive absolute plus the Qal verb (QB.

Bibleworks indicates that this same word with "heart" (thus the same phrase as in Jer 17:9) occurs in the Hebrew of Sirach 36:25, where the Greek translates with "kardia strhblos." The lexicons define "strhblos" as suggesting what is twisted, crooked, or perverse (of the way of unrighteousness).

Yours,
Harold Holmyard


Nir,
Thank you. I think what you said fits where I was heading but I was
getting there more by gut feeling than anything else.
Sincerely,
Michael Abernathy

On 10/10/2012 10:20 AM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. wrote:
michael,

there is a fuzzy region which approximates each of the following quite
distinct words: "complicated, severe, deep, devious, pervert, sick,
not straight, entorted, entangled, without remedy, incurable." though
one word does not automatically translate for another.

both )NW$ and (QWB fit this fuzzy zone. (QWB is part of the BH
complex (QM-(QB-(QP-)KP that has to do with bending.

in modern hebrew )NW$ means plainly "seriously bad/complicated"
(rather than sick/pervert/entorted) and restricted to the two
expressions XWLH )NW$ "severely ill" and MCB )NW$ "seriously
bad situation". now, "severely ill, incurable, without remedy" are similar
translations for XWLH )NW$, but not necessarily for the isolate )NW$.

i do not know the origin of the noun )NW$ for "human" and
its connection with the same adjective. in other words,
do humans have to be so complicated?
nir cohen


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