Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>]

1. First and foremost don't give up. If the Hebrew language is dear  
to you, then keep up extolling her virtues.
2. Instead of LUL think about the name of the national airline of  
Israel: EL-AL, up-up.
3. Here I miss your point. No one questions the fact that some Hebrew  
roots have a double letter ever from the beginning of time.
4. There is no denying that the word DIBER is written (written!) with  
only one B. The thing is that in punctuated, MNUQADIYM, books we see  
a tiny dot placed inside it. As soon as we see this dot we  
intuitively read the letter as the English B and not as the English  
V, in other words, we say DVARIYM, yet DIBER. I think there is  
agreement on the fact that this difference in articulating the B is  
only a side effect. So, what is the primary reason for the placement  
of this dot inside the letter? You say (or appear to be saying) that  
its purpose is to instruct the reader to double the consonant and  
read (read!) the word as DIB-BER. I say baloney.
In any event, since the word DIBER is written (written!) with only  
one Hebrew B it should, methinks, be written also with only one  
English B. If you want to double this B in speech, then, by all  
means, go and try it out.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On May 11, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. wrote:

> isaac,
>
> first, they had no pens.
>
> second, did you see them double the letters?
>
> third, maybe they also inventer EL=mighty and ELON=OAK and all the  
> other words you always build your lofty theory upon?
> but you know exactly where to draw the correct line between the  
> true and false hebrew.
>
> fourth: if anyone of the B-Hebrew listers can find solid  
> documentation which shows that these doubled letter words
> are much older than the naqdanim and the scribes, in many semitic  
> dialects, will you eat your hat or
> discredit the evidence as irrelevant? i assume the second option.
>
> it really is an uphill battle. i give up.
>
> best
> nir cohen
>
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:57:07 -0400, Isaac Fried wrote
> > You are right, There is GB and there is GBB, there is GL and  
> there is GLL, etc.  Wherefrom did these doubled letters come? They  
> came from the pen of the scribe who wrote the HB. Doubling the last  
> radical letter is a common technique used in the Hebrew language  
> for extending a 2-literal root into a 3-literal root.
> > True, LEBAB has two B's, but LIB-IY, 'my heart', has only one B.  
> There is a dagesh "forte" in the B as expected after a xiriq, but  
> the word is written in Hebrew with only one (one!) B.
> >
> >
> >
> > Isaac Fried, Boston University
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 11, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. wrote:
> > dear isaac,
> > >
> > > i knew it was coming.
> > >
> > > can you please tell me how many times LBB (with or without  
> > prefix and suffix) appears in the OT?
> > >
> > > same thing with MYLL an MYLH. GLL and GL. MDD and MD. QCC and  
> > QC. XRR and XR. (WLL and (WL. DLL and DL.
> > > X$$ and X$. MCC and MC. BQQ and BQ. NYCOC. SBB and SB. etc etc  
> > etc. XDD and XD.
> > >
> > > wherefrom did these doubled letters come from?
> > >
> > > what is your explanation for the coexistence of these pairs of  
> > similar etymology?
> > >
> > > so LEBAB has 2 B and LIBI never had a dagesh forte?
> > >
> > > nir cohen
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:24:21 -0400, Isaac Fried wrote
> > > > As far as I know there is no LIBBI לבבי and no DIBBER  
> > דבבר in the Hebrew language. The dagesh "forte" is unnecessary  
> > in "full" writing. Hence GIBOR, KINOR, CINOR, CIPOR, RIMON, with a  
> > dagesh, but CIYNOK, QIYTOR, with no dagesh.
> > > >
> > > > Isaac Fried, Boston University
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On May 11, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. wrote:
> > > > > we see a yodless I vowel associated with  (yes!) dagesh forte  
> > > and prefix: LEV--> LIBBI, DAVAR--> DIBBER
> >
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