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- From: Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be
- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:33:38 +0200
Dear Fred,
Discussion on this list is generally limited to the Hebrew of the Tanakh,
which does indeed end with the return to Zion under Persian rule (as I'm
sure you know, the last book of the Tanakh in the Jewish tradition is either
Chronicles or Ezra-Nehemiah; Malachi is the last book of the Protestant Old
Testament. However, since all three represent more-or-less the same
historical period, we will not argue the point). The Hebrew of the DDS, the
Mishna, Second Temple Period inscriptions and other sources from after
Alexander's conquests are not discussed on this list, since, while they are
Hebrew, they come from a time in which Jewish culture (of which language is
a part) had undergone significant changes compared to the pre-Hellenistic
periods. Such "late" sources are only discussed when they might serve to
teach us about the text of the Tanakh itself.
So that even if you could prove that the Shem-Tov manuscript represented an
authentic 1st century Hebrew text of Matthew, it still would not qualify. As
far as I understand, most scholars believe that it is a Medieval forgery. We
don't discuss the Hebrew of Yosefon here, either.
If you wish to continue participating in this list, please respect its
parameters.
Thank you,
Yigal Levin
Co-Moderator, B-Hebrew
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[mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of fred burlingame
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:02 PM
To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be
Hello all:
The first sentence of this forum announces: "B-Hebrew is a forum dedicated
to the discussion of Biblical Hebrew language and literature."
This sentence prompts the existential question. Does biblical hebrew
language and literature grind to halt with the scroll of malachi? Or does
biblical hebrew continue to exist and flourish with the scroll of matthew
and beyond?
Matthew 15:1-14 and 23:1-3 argue for and support the latter conclusion.
Perhaps true, perhaps false, but the greek text of matthew
15:1-14 nonetheless contains Jesus' vivid disapproval of both the entire
hebrew oral law (takanot and what later becomes the talmud), and its keepers
of that oral law, the rabbis (then pharisees) of jerusalem.
Soon thereafter, Jesus apparently contradicts Himself and instructs His
followers to do all that the jerusalem rabbis say (aka all of the oral law;
the takanot). *See*, greek text of matthew 23:1-3.
The hebrew matthew shem tov manuscript however, contains no such conflict.
http://www.torahresource.com/Dutillet.html
Shem tov matthew 23:1-3 includes Jesus' instruction to do what moses says
(written torah) versus what the rabbis say (oral torah). A single letter
(waw or vav) in the hebrew accounts the difference between greek and hebrew
renderings; between "they say" in greek; and "he says" in hebrew. *cf*., 2
kings 17:24-41 (concerning approval of the statutes of God; and corresonding
disapproval of customs of men.)
My understanding of the primary tool utilized by the academic community at
this forum, includes the internal examination of the text itself, rather
than the external evaluation of circumstances surrounding the text.
In other words, the academic community here observes the alef-bet hebrew,
its letters, words, phrases, clauses, sentences, paragraphs, etc., and the
relationships between and amongst these parts. Perhaps as an example of this
process, witness the internal elegance and balance of hebrew isaiah 29:13 as
compelling a conclusion of its hebrew originality.
External considerations on the other hand, such as date of the manuscript,
date of composition of the story within the manuscript, etc., enjoy
secondary import here.
These considerations, if correct, counsel a hebrew original text of matthew,
at least in the context of matthew 15 and 23.
regards,
fred burlingame
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[b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
fred burlingame, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
Yigal Levin, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
fred burlingame, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
K Randolph, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
fred burlingame, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
K Randolph, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
fred burlingame, 10/20/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be, George Athas, 10/21/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be, fred burlingame, 10/21/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
fred burlingame, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
K Randolph, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
fred burlingame, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
K Randolph, 10/20/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be, Yigal Levin, 10/21/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
fred burlingame, 10/20/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] to be or not to be,
Yigal Levin, 10/20/2010
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