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- From: Yitzhak Sapir <yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com>
- To: Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?
- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:02:51 +0300
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Randall Buth wrote:
> Actually, some spoken Hebrew dialects in the biblical period probably
> included
> an hipta`el like we see in Phoenician and Moabite. A qal-based 't'
> form just like
> the hitpa``el is a pi``el-based 't' form. One person could say
> 'yiltaHem' 'he will
> fight', and another might say 'yillaHem'.]
There is an apparent qal t form in htpqd as in Judges 20:15, 17 (the lack of
dagesh in the qoph differentiates it from a Piel).
However, the Moabite form is problematic in my opinion. Because it is exactly
comparable to Hebrew Niphal, it suggests that the Moabite -t- form is a
passive,
not reflexive, form. Moabite has other morphological affinities with Aramaic,
and this would be one more -- Aramaic uses Hitpael as the passive form, rather
than Niphal. (Old Aramaic still had a Niphal,but that Niphal was not
passive, just
like the Hitpael of Hebrew in Judges 20:15 is not passive). We also
don't see a
Niphal in Moabite.
The statement that one would say yiltaHem (perhaps the hypothesized form
should have been yitlaHem?) and another would say yillaHem is doubtful.
For the word nlHm - attacked -- this suggests that in this case the etymology
might be useful. The original meaning might have been nuanced as the more
passive viewpoint of the battle -- defended against.
Yitzhak Sapir
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
K Randolph, 06/01/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
Pere Porta, 06/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
K Randolph, 06/02/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
Pere Porta, 06/03/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
K Randolph, 06/03/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?, Pere Porta, 06/04/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?, Yitzhak Sapir, 06/04/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
K Randolph, 06/03/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
Pere Porta, 06/03/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
K Randolph, 06/02/2010
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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[b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
Randall Buth, 06/02/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?, Yitzhak Sapir, 06/02/2010
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[b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
Randall Buth, 06/04/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?, Yitzhak Sapir, 06/05/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?, K Randolph, 06/07/2010
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[b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
Randall Buth, 06/05/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?, Yitzhak Sapir, 06/06/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Fact of language?,
Pere Porta, 06/02/2010
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