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  • From: "Yodan" <yodan AT yodanco.com>
  • To: "'James Read'" <J.Read-2 AT sms.ed.ac.uk>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] FW: Ester / Esther
  • Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:40:31 -0700

Thank you. I am curious to know whey Ester, which clearly has a T (as there
is a dagesh in TAV) became Esther. I'm assuming that there is a T (in
addition to TH) in Greek. Is this correct?

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Rivka Sherman-Gold
YODAN Publishing

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-----Original Message-----
From: James Read [mailto:J.Read-2 AT sms.ed.ac.uk]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:11 AM
To: yodan AT yodanco.com
Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] FW: Ester / Esther

In Greek E???? . See Esther 2:10 at
http://www.septuagint.org/LXX/Esther/2 for an example. For those whose
email clients cannot view Greek characters there is clearly a theta
(th) in the position in question.

For Latin see http://www.latinvulgate.com/verse.aspx?t=0&b=19&c=2
chapter 2 and verse 8 for Hester.

In order to understand the transmission of names you have to
understand that names were first transliterated into Greek (a language
with different phonetic limitations to Hebrew) and then into Latin
(another language with different phonetic limitations) and that most
of our transliterations have come through this double filter and then
been influenced by our own languages phonetic limitations.

An interesting case study are the names Jacob and Joshua in English
translations. Somehow, they have managed to become Jacob and James for
Iakov and Joshua and Jesus for Yehoshua. While it is relatively a
simple exercise to see how Iakov underwent various transformations to
become Jacob and how Yehoshua became Joshua it is presently beyond me
just how exactly English versions got this strange fork when the
Latin versions are devoid of it.

e.g. http://www.latinvulgate.com/verse.aspx?t=1&b=20 shows that James
is clearly Iakobus in Latin.

James Christian

James Christian

Quoting Yodan <yodan AT yodanco.com>:

> Does anyone have an explanation to why the transliteration of Ester is
> Esther, considering the fact that TAV has a Dagesh and, therefore, has
been
> pronounced T and not TH all along. I wonder if anyone knows how this name
> was transliterated into Greek or Latin - whether this name's third
consonant
> is transliterated as T or TH.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
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> Rivka Sherman-Gold
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