Biblical Hebrew Forum

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Yitzhak Sapir wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Since I'm sure we've run through the guard interrogative/definite article
> example quite a bit, and since my example of the queen and her king
> seems to have lost something in the translation, I figured some more
> examples might be useful:
>   
Yeah - I had no idea what that (the queen/king comment) meant. lol :)
> qivcu "gather them!" 1 Sam 7:5
> qibbacu "they gathered" Joel 2:6
>   
Vowel signs are different.
> xizqu "be strong!" Deut 31:6
> xizzaqu "they strengthened" Jer 5:3
>   
Vowel signs are different.
> sifru "count!" Ps 48:13
> sipparu "they told" Ps 75:2
>   
Vowel signs are different.
> limdu "learn!" Is 1:17
> limmadu "they learned" Jer 9:4
>   
Vowel signs are different.
> $ivru "buy" Is 55:1
> $ibbaru "they broke" 2 Ki 11:18
>   
Vowel signs are different.
> Some more varied ones:
>
> qinnim "nests/compartments" Gen 6:14
> qinim "lamentations" Ezekiel 2:10
>   
gn6:14,6 <QIN.IYM> - Common Noun, Masculine Plural of <Q"N>
ek2:10,10 <QINIYM> - Common Noun, Feminine Plural of <QIYNFH>

This is EXACTLY what I am asking for!!!!!! Everything is identical 
graphically except for a variation in the dagesh marks - and they have 
two different meanings. in fact they are even two different lemmas!
THANK YOU!!!!
THANK YOU!!!!
THANK YOU!!!!

Do you have any more examples like this one?
> $ilxo "his weapon" 2 Chron 23:10
> $illaxo "he sent him away" 2 Sam 3:22
>   
Vowel signs are different.
> nicca "ripe fruit" Is 18:5
> niccah "its flower" Gen 40:10
>   
is18:5,9 <NIC.FH> - Common Noun, Feminine Plural of <NIC.FH>
gn40:10,7 <NIC./FH.> - Common Noun, Masculine Singular of <N"C> / 
Suffix:3rd Person Feminine Singular

In this example you were half way there - they two words are identical 
graphically except for a variation in the dagesh marks. But they have 
different morpheme breaks. The first is just one morpheme, but the 
second is two - a "base" and a suffix. So this example doesn't apply to 
my question.

> middavar "over the words of" 2 Sam 19:44
> midbar "desert" Ex 19:1
>   
Vowel signs are different.
> miggava(ot "of the hills of" Is 2:2
> migba(ot "hats" Lev 8:13
>   
Vowel signs are different.
> There even appears one case where a dagesh qal appears phonemic:
> licvo "to be on duty" Nu 4:23, Num 8:24
> licbo "to fight against" Is 31:4
> However, [b] and [v] are already known to be phonemic in Tiberian
> Hebrew.  In fact, in the above example, perhaps Num 4:23, 8:24 are
> derived from the Qal of cwy but have come to be spelled as lcb)
> because the Qal is so rare.  If this is the case, it might suggest
> the w > v shift in Israel was very early.
>   
nu4:23,13 and nu8:24,10 <LI/C:BO)> - Preposition / Qal Common of <CB)>
is31:4,27 <LI/C:B.O)> - Preposition / Qal Common of <CB)>
This one meets all the criteria except for a major one- they all mean 
the same thing.
Where are you getting the translation variation from?

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>   
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John Steven