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["Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>]

Dear Kevin,

As I said, ..."There are some within Christianity that would disagree (SDA-
Seventh Day Adventist; Seventh Day Baptist; etc.), but that is the basic
outline."

I do understand that much would need to be filled in and most of that fill in
would not be pertinent for this list. Unfortunately, also, all we have is what
is mentioned in the NT and the Church Fathers until Constantine. After that
there are the official documents of Constantius, etc. I did not bring up the
issue that you did (the Jewish Wars, etc.) as I did not wish to go there;
although it is relevant in this discussion.

This is a very contentious issue, and we will leave it at that.

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Riley" <klriley AT alphalink.com.au>
To: "B Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] [b-Hebrew] Exo 20:9-10


> You have left out one of the more contentious issues - the need to
> differentiate the Christians from the Jews - particularly in the climate of
> Jewish unrest that occupied the minds of the Roman leaders for most of the
> first 100 years of Christianity's history, but particularly from about
> AD70-150.
>
> The problem with this issue - as with many to do with Christian worship - is
> that evidence is not abundant.  There is no clear evidence of any group of
> Christians worshipping regularly on Saturday *or* Sunday in the New
> Testament.  Sabbatarians point to Paul's meetings on Sabbath, but in each
> case it is with Jews or with "God-fearers" already meeting on Sabbath.
> There is also no clear mention of a 'normal' Christian gathering on Sunday.
> By the time we do get records, it seems that both the Sabbath and Sunday
> were being observed in many places.  There also needs to be a distinction
> made between the idea of Sunday as a day of worship, and Sunday as a Sabbath
>   The first is definitely old in Christian practice, the second is not.
> Until recently, the idea of Sunday as a Sabbath replacing the "Jewish"
> Sabbath was mostly a Protestant idea, particularly found in Reformed
> churches.
>
> As a Seventh-day Adventist, I would like to point out that the dispute with
> other Christians is not over historical facts, but what they mean.  I think
> we all agree that the NT church started out as Sabbath keepers (for how long
> this continued - days, weeks, years, none of us know) and by the C2nd the
> observance of worship services on Sunday in commemoration of the
> resurrection is widespread, as is the observance of the Sabbath in most
> places.  The debate is over how this happened and whether it was a good
> thing.  Fortunately, that whole topic is off-limits to this list, as it has
> been, and continues to be, a very tedious debate based mainly on assumptions
> by both sides.
>
> Kevin Riley
>
> -------Original Message------- 
>
> From: Bryant J. Williams III
> Date: 27/04/2008 11:26:25 AM
>
> Dear Yigal,
>
> What you say about the Christians worshiping on Sunday is correct as far as
> It
> Goes. But in Acts "The Way" as it was originally known (also the Nazarenes)
> Met
> Daily (Acts 2:46a). Acts 3:1 also indicates that the Apostles went up to the
>
>
> Temple at the hour of prayer (3PM, daily is implied). This went on for
> Several
> Years after that. Eventually, the church gravitated to Sunday for several
> Reasons.
>
> First, since the gradual introduction of the "god-fearers" (Gentiles) into
> The
> Church it became apparent that the meetings on the Sabbath (sundown
> Friday-sunset Saturday) in the synagogue would not be a good idea. Second,
> As
> You mentioned, Jesus was raised on the First Day of the Week, Sunday. Third,
>
>
> Paul commanded the Corinthian believers to meet concerning the collection
> That
> Was to go to help the church in Jerusalem, " Now concerning the collection
> For
> The saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
>
>
> Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as
> God
> Hat prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come (I Corinthians
> 16:1-2). Fourth, is the view that Christ is the end of the law to those who
> Believe for Christ made one sacrifice for all (Hebrews 9-10).
>
> Of course, Constantius, son of Constantine, Emperor of the Roman Empire,
> Made
> Christianity the official state religion and made Sunday the official day
> (it
> Was already the day of worship in the churches before the official
> Announcement,
> But ...)
>
> There are some within Christianity that would disagree (SDA- Seventh Day
> Adventist; Seventh Day Baptist; etc.), but that is the basic outline.
>
> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
>
>
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