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  • From: JimStinehart AT aol.com
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [b-hebrew] Language, migration and Jewish identity
  • Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:33:37 EST


Rev. Bryant J. Williams III :
1. You wrote: “Genesis 15:7 refutes what you say about Abraham about
coming from Canaan and not Ur. ‘and he said unto him, I am the LORD that
brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit
it.’"
(a) Abraham’s older brother Haran had the grave misfortune of predeceasing
his own father and dying in far-off Ur. At Genesis 15: 7, YHWH is
reminding Abraham that YHWH saw to it that rather than dying ignominiously
with his
older brother in far-off Ur, YHWH had helped guide Abraham back to Abraham’s
homeland of Canaan. Abraham, unlike Haran, returned safely to Canaan after
the long caravan trip out to Mesopotamia to buy luxury goods to sell in
Egypt.
(b) The text refers to “Kasdim”, not “Chaldees”. The Chaldeans did not
exist until about 500 years after the Patriarchal age.
1. You wrote: “Furthermore, 15:18 states, ‘In the same day the LORD
made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land,
from
the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates." Vss 19-21
indicates who inhabited the land that Abram has just been given.”
(a) Those verses say nothing, one way or the other, as to where Abraham
was from.
(b) Genesis 21: 13 explicitly says that Ishmael is Abraham’s “seed”.
(c) It is Ishmael’s descendants who inherit most of the land that is
referred to at Genesis 15: 18-21. That is what Genesis 25: 16, 18 tells
us:
“[T]hese are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their
villages, and by their encampments; twelve princes according to their
nations. …
And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur that is before Egypt, as thou goest
toward Asshur [Assyria, centered just east of the upper Euphrates River]:
over
against all his brethren he did settle.”
Jim Stinehart
Evanston, Illinois



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