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- From: Harold Holmyard <hholmyard3 AT earthlink.net>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] virginity
- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:55:50 -0500
Dear Isaac,
What I am saying is scripturally and legally of the utmost importance since it may mean the difference between life and death.
HH: True, but the people back then could have had ways of recognizing the kind of phenomenon you are talking about. The woman could test herself, and her parents could deal with the issue if it came up. The text says what it says, and it is false exegesis to say it did not mean it as it said it:
22:15 Then the father and mother of the young woman must produce the evidence of virginity for the elders of the city at the gate.
22:17 Moreover, he has raised accusations of impropriety by saying, 'I discovered your daughter was not a virgin,' but this is the evidence of my daughter's virginity!" The cloth must then be spread out before the city's elders.
HH: The evidence of virginity is the cloth. Dr. Eugene H. Merrill writes in the New American Commentary (pp. 302-03), quoted by the NET Bible, "In light of v. 17 this [evidence of virginity] would evidently be blood-stained sheets indicative of the first instance of intercourse.
HH: Apparently it was normal for there to be bleeding at the first intercourse. Standard nuptial routine could have included the evidence being handed over to the woman's parents as witnesses on the day after the consummation of the marriage. Just as routine, it what you are talking about was widespread, could have been the awareness of the possibility of some oddity like the hymen breaking before the marriage or lack of bleeding, so this could have been dealt with within the family and shared with the groom's family before the marriage, if it occurred. This law is like many laws that give the basic statement and do not deal with all conceivable details that might arise.
HH: Michael Abernathy's quote of Josephus shows that the law was real and not just hypothetical:
Josephus comments on the same verse , "but if the damsel be convicted, as having
been corrupted, and is one of the common people, let her be stoned, because she did not
preserve her virginity till she were lawfully married; but if she were the daughter of
a priest, let her be burnt alive."
HH: As already mentioned, This custom of parents checking the bed sheets after the nuptial night for signs of virginity has been a custom even outside of the Judeo-Christian heritage.
Hh: There may be more facts to the biblical custom that we don't know about,
since the details are not given as to how the cloth was obtained or when.
This kind of information is assumed, and knowledge of exceptional cases can
be assumed as well, I would think. Nor does one expect that most marriages
faced this prospect. Such an accusation by a husband would be rare, and the
physical issue you bring up would also be somewhat uncommon, it seems.
Yours,
Harold Holmyard
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Re: [b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14, Brak, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Yigal Levin, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14, Harold Holmyard, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14, Tory Thorpe, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14, Harold Holmyard, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14, Peter Kirk, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14, K Randolph, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Tory Thorpe, 07/16/2007
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- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Harold Holmyard, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Isaac Fried, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Harold Holmyard, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Peter Kirk, 07/16/2007
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- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, dwashbur, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Lisbeth S. Fried, 07/16/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Isaac Fried, 07/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, dwashbur, 07/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, K Randolph, 07/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Peter Kirk, 07/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Tory Thorpe, 07/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, K Randolph, 07/17/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] virginity, Tory Thorpe, 07/18/2007
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