Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>]

Dear List,

I am NOT a moderator, but it seems to me that this current thread has gone
beyond the discussion on the use of the article and, since it is now
discussing the meaning of ALMAH, the thread subject should have been changed
to reflect the change in subject.

Now (Hinneh), it appears that we are all going over the same information
again and appears that we have not changed any minds. Thus, without any NEW
information, may I SUGGEST that we agree to disagree and put this thread
into the archives as other similar threads have gone. In other words, let us
close this thread.

En Xristwi,

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tory Thorpe" <torythrp AT yahoo.com>
To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Definite Article 7:14


> On Jul 16, 2007, at 11:54 AM, dwashbur AT nyx.net wrote:
>
> > It's hard to tell the actual sequence of events, especially from
> > the language of verse 3.  Why
> > would he first rape her, and then fall in love with her and ask his
> > father to arrange the
> > wedding?  It looks as though the LXX translators had the same
> > question and assumed he
> > did his tenderness thing before he violated her, which would
> > explain why they used
> > PARQENOS to render NA(AR.
>
> First you said the word PARQENOS occurs in v. 3 before the rape, as
> if this was fairly clear. Now you are saying the sequence of events
> is not clear. The sequence is clear in the Hebrew and the Greek
> translation. If it is as you say, the Hebrew text of Gen. xxxiv 2-3
> is in a state of disorder.
>
> > In any case, I suspect Karl is right: what we have here is nothing
> > more than a case of poor
> > translation.  It certainly doesn't make your case.
>
> Yes, well, Karl sees christian doctrine forcing changes in the
> meaning of Hebrew words among native Hebrew speakers, where no such
> changes can be demonstrated empirically. It is the ultimate non-
> falsifiable - any evidence that points away from the conspiracy is
> turned into more evidence supporting the conspiracy.
>
> Tory Thorpe
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