Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com>]

 Sorry about the missing alephs. I thought I had typed them.

I was wondering of the word )UM.IYM was related to the word "mother".

Now you state that L:)OM and I would assume you would also include the 
words in question )UM.IYM  and  L:)UM.IYM is most likely not related to 
)UM.IYM and )UM.FH
I was wondering why you think that. To my limited knowledge it would 
appear that )UM.IYM was the basis for L:)UM.IYM and that in fact 
L:)UM.IYM should be morphed as L:/)UM.IYM to mean "to people" or "for 
people"? Or would it be some grammar thing in which the L: is doing 
something to the word instead of adding "to"?


Also, I checked in the Aleppo Codex and it has BAL:)UM.IYM so I am 
wondering is the LC the only one with this variant.



B"H
John Steven

"If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you 
behave."
-Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.


Peter Kirk wrote:

> On 18/04/2007 00:34, Brak wrote:
>
> > I have encountered ssomething interesting that I would like to share 
> > and hopefully figure out.
> >
> > In just about every Hebrew Bible I have has at the end of Psalm 149:7 
> > BAL:)UM.IYM
> > but in the LC it has BAL-UM.IMYM
> >
> >   
>
> You appear to mean B.AL-)UM.IYM . It is important that the aleph has 
> not been dropped, and as the maqqeph (hyphen) is counted as a vowel 
> point there is no difference in the consonantal text.
>
> > ...
> >
> > Now here are some things I found:
> >
> > L:UM.IMYM appears in the following places: ...
> >   
>
>
> You mean L:)UM.IYM - it is important to be precise when we are looking 
> at details of pointing.
>
> > ...
> >
> > Now this is interesting:
> > HF)UM.IYM
> > Psalms 117:1 - translated as "peoples"
> >
> >   
>
> According to BDB there is a word )UM.FH "tribe, people", with Arabic 
> and Akkadian cognates, found at Numbers 25:15, Psalm 117:1, Gen 25:16. 
> This is from the same root as )"M "mother", and the Arabic "umma" is 
> well known as a word for the Muslim community as a whole. There is 
> also a Hebrew word (AM or (FM "people", with separate Arabic, Syriac 
> and Akkadian cognates, with a root meaning more like "include". It 
> seems to me that these are separate words with separate histories, not 
> confused in ancient times when aleph and ayin were distinct 
> consonants, although confusing now to people who don't pronounce ayin 
> distinctively.
>
> There is also a word L:)OM "people", which is probably unrelated to 
> either of the above.
>
> > So from Psalms 117:1 it would appear that the root )M is "people" - 
> > just like the word (M
> > So could this be a case of alternate spellings? Kind of like how 
> > Isaac is spelled with sometimes a TSADI, other times a SIN?
> >
> > So would L:UM.IMYM be translated as "to peoples",  UM.IMYM as 
> > "peoples" and hense BAL-UM.IMYM as "nothing peoples".
> >
> > Any kind of input or ideas or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >   
>
> I guess that B.AL-)UM.IYM "not peoples", which refers to Gentiles, may 
> well be a pejorative repointing of B.AL:)UM.IYM "in/among the 
> peoples". Probably the latter is more original, as LXX (EN TOIS LAOIS 
> "in the peoples", 43:15 and 149:7) tends to confirm.