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  • From: Brak <Brak AT neo.rr.com>
  • To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Psalm 149:7 - Leningrad Codex Varient: Bal-Umim
  • Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:55:09 -0500

Sorry about the missing alephs. I thought I had typed them.

I was wondering of the word )UM.IYM was related to the word "mother".

Now you state that L:)OM and I would assume you would also include the words in question )UM.IYM and L:)UM.IYM is most likely not related to )UM.IYM and )UM.FH
I was wondering why you think that. To my limited knowledge it would appear that )UM.IYM was the basis for L:)UM.IYM and that in fact L:)UM.IYM should be morphed as L:/)UM.IYM to mean "to people" or "for people"? Or would it be some grammar thing in which the L: is doing something to the word instead of adding "to"?


Also, I checked in the Aleppo Codex and it has BAL:)UM.IYM so I am wondering is the LC the only one with this variant.



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Peter Kirk wrote:

On 18/04/2007 00:34, Brak wrote:

I have encountered ssomething interesting that I would like to share and hopefully figure out.

In just about every Hebrew Bible I have has at the end of Psalm 149:7 BAL:)UM.IYM
but in the LC it has BAL-UM.IMYM


You appear to mean B.AL-)UM.IYM . It is important that the aleph has not been dropped, and as the maqqeph (hyphen) is counted as a vowel point there is no difference in the consonantal text.

...

Now here are some things I found:

L:UM.IMYM appears in the following places: ...


You mean L:)UM.IYM - it is important to be precise when we are looking at details of pointing.

...

Now this is interesting:
HF)UM.IYM
Psalms 117:1 - translated as "peoples"


According to BDB there is a word )UM.FH "tribe, people", with Arabic and Akkadian cognates, found at Numbers 25:15, Psalm 117:1, Gen 25:16. This is from the same root as )"M "mother", and the Arabic "umma" is well known as a word for the Muslim community as a whole. There is also a Hebrew word (AM or (FM "people", with separate Arabic, Syriac and Akkadian cognates, with a root meaning more like "include". It seems to me that these are separate words with separate histories, not confused in ancient times when aleph and ayin were distinct consonants, although confusing now to people who don't pronounce ayin distinctively.

There is also a word L:)OM "people", which is probably unrelated to either of the above.

So from Psalms 117:1 it would appear that the root )M is "people" - just like the word (M
So could this be a case of alternate spellings? Kind of like how Isaac is spelled with sometimes a TSADI, other times a SIN?

So would L:UM.IMYM be translated as "to peoples", UM.IMYM as "peoples" and hense BAL-UM.IMYM as "nothing peoples".

Any kind of input or ideas or guidance would be greatly appreciated.


I guess that B.AL-)UM.IYM "not peoples", which refers to Gentiles, may well be a pejorative repointing of B.AL:)UM.IYM "in/among the peoples". Probably the latter is more original, as LXX (EN TOIS LAOIS "in the peoples", 43:15 and 149:7) tends to confirm.






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