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Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew
- From: David Kummerow <farmerjoeblo AT hotmail.com>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew
- Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:02:45 +1100
Hi Karl,
Actually, I'm not wanting anything, just an explanation, if possible, for how the verbal distributions fit into Rolf's theory. His latest post, again, just dismisses the issue.
Perhaps the evidence is not as strong as I presented (note: not "not as strong as I want it to be"). Michah 2:8 doesn't fit so it may well be aspectual there and that's fine.
But regarding "tomorrow", I do not find it surprising that imperatives etc occur with it. But it is surprising, given that qatal is said to be perfective, that no actions of "tomorrow" are conceptualised completely with perfective qatal.
Regards,
David Kummerow.
David:
Thanks for the research and response. You have read widely on many
books which I have no access to, and it gives a lot of food for
thought.
However, I wish to caution you to the following:
On 3/19/07, David Kummerow <farmerjoeblo at hotmail.com> wrote:
>....
>
> 4. Areas of research which quite potentially have much bearing on
> aspects of discussion are neglected: a) the distribution of qatal and
> yiqtol with temporal adverbs "yesterday" and "tomorrow"; ...
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Sincerely,
> David Kummerow.
Of the 8 times I find "yesterday", only once is it used with yiqtol
(Micah 2:8), but that is once, not zero, as you claim. Five times it
is used adjectively with a "from" or "as" added, only two times as an
adverb with a qatal verb. "Last night" is used three time with qatal,
once with wayyiqtol, once with an implied "to be".
"Tomorrow" is never used with qatal, but 24 times (fewer than half)
with yiqtol, including twice with both yiqtol and weqatal, 9 times
weqatal, 7 participles, 8 imperatives, and 6 times with no verb
(understood "to be").
These figures are from a quick survey with an unpointed text, others
may disagree with the exact numbers.
I think the data from "yesterday" and "tomorrow" is not as strong as
you want it to be.
Other than this nit-picking, I'm lurking, watching the discussion how
it comes out.
Thanks.
Karl W. Randolph.
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Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew
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Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew,
Harold Holmyard, 03/21/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew,
Rolf Furuli, 03/21/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew, Peter Kirk, 03/21/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew, Harold Holmyard, 03/21/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew,
Rolf Furuli, 03/21/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew, K Randolph, 03/21/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew,
David Kummerow, 03/20/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew, Harold Holmyard, 03/20/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew, David Kummerow, 03/20/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew, David Kummerow, 03/20/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew, David Kummerow, 03/21/2007
- Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew, David Kummerow, 03/21/2007
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Re: [b-hebrew] Overview and comments on Furuli, A New Understanding of the Verbal System of Classical Hebrew,
Harold Holmyard, 03/21/2007
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