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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine
- From: "Yitzhak Sapir" <yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine
- Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:10:47 +0000
On 11/17/06, Peter Kirk wrote:
Some further thoughts about this: It took a lot of searching, but I did
eventually find the Hebrew text of Sirach online, at
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/gopher/text/religion/biblical/parallel/27.Sirach.par.
But unfortunately 25:25,26 seem to be missing, at least from the text
used to prepare this. 25:24 apparently reads M)$H TXLT (WN WBGLLH GW(NW
YXD, understood by the translator into Greek as ἀπὸ γυναικὸς ἀρχὴ
ἁμαρτίας καὶ δι᾽ αὐτὴν ἀποθνῄσκομεν πάντες, literally "From woman
beginning of sin, and through her we die all".
You can look at an image of the Genizah fragment that is used for these verses
here:
http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Taylor-Schechter/GOLD/Or1102/AS213_4.html
and at parts of a newly identified Genizah fragment that contains parts of 26:
http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Taylor-Schechter/GOLD/Or1102/TS12_867.html
You can see from the first fragment that the gopher site Hebrew text did not
incorporate the newly identified small triangular fragment at the top
left of the
recto. Also that 25:25-26 is missing is not due to any poor quality of the
fragment itself but rather to an editorial choice.
On the face of it it seems wrong to compare a text such as this to one
saying that a husband must not divorce his wife, since the context of 25:26
is a "bad wife" while the context of the second is apparently a general case.
It appears to me that if Ben Sira has been left out of the canon in these
cases it was not due to any feministic attitudes. Proverbs 31:10-31 also
highlights a different view of women, although it still identifies
separate roles
for women and men, the women being entrusted with the work that is
necessary to upkeep the home while the husband sits with the council
members in a political or religious role. A rather negative view of a woman
is highlighted in Proverbs 7:3-27. Compare also in this regard 4Q184:
http://www.utoronto.ca/wjudaism/journal/vol2n2/aubin.html
http://www.thirdmill.org/newfiles/sc_jones/OT.Jones.wisdom.proverbs7.pdf
(The second contains a Hebrew transliteration of 4Q184, and the first a
translation).
Yitzhak Sapir
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[b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Ethel Jean (Kowan) Saltz, 11/17/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine, Peter Kirk, 11/17/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Peter Kirk, 11/17/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Peter Kirk, 11/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Peter Kirk, 11/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/18/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine, Peter Kirk, 11/18/2006
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- Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine, Peter Kirk, 11/19/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Peter Kirk, 11/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Peter Kirk, 11/18/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Biblical politics of masculine and feminine,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/18/2006
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