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y:ddab:rw lo 'eley gibborim.  
I have a couple question about this verse.
1) what does that little 's' mean in BHS under 'eley?  Does it mean 
alternaltive spelling?

2) is 'eley the plural construct of 'EL(gods) or Ayil?( leader)

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Kelton Graham 
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From: Shoshanna Walker <rosewalk AT concentric.net> 

> Actually, Yigal, the two places where this mitzva is mentioned, are 
> like hundreds of other mitzvot mentioned in the Torah, where the 
> exact details of how to observe them, were not given in the written 
> Torah, but in the Oral Torah, and then taught down, from generation 
> to generation, by our leaders, in an unbroken chain of Mesorah. Ezra 
> was just one of the transmitters of Torah. It's absurd to believe, 
> that the 3 times that the positive commandment of terua are mentioned 
> in the Torah, are meant for each individual to decide for himself 
> what it means, like clapping hands - something that important to be 
> mentioned three times, for sure was not meant for chance observance - 
> despite what even some Jews would like to believe. 
> 
> Shoshanna 
> 
> 
> >Actually, Shoshanna, a "teru'ah" is literally a shout, "leharia'", to 
> >shout 
> >or exclaim. The two places in which the day is mentioned, Lev. 23:23-25 
> >and 
> >Num. 29:1-6 do not mention either the shofar or any other type of trumpet. 
> >Just when this was understood by Jews as referring to the blowing of the 
> >shofar is not clear - it's not mentioned in the Tanakh anywhere. In fact, 
> >the day itself is not mentioned until Ezra, who used it to gather the 
> >people 
> >and teach them Torah - no shofar there either. The fact that one of the 
> >sounds made by the shofar is called a "teru'ah" is a back-interpretation. 
> > 
> >By the way, the Samaritans to this day mark the day by clapping their 
> >hands, 
> >which is how they have come to interpret "teru'ah". I'm not saying that 
> >this 
> >is a more correct interpretation, just that there are more than one 
> >possible 
> >interpretation. 
> > 
> >Yigal Levin 
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Shoshanna Walker" 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 4:05 AM 
> >Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] b-hebrew Digest, Vol 45,Issue 32 the Feast of 
> >Trumpets 
> > 
> > 
> >> Not trumpets - shofar - ram's horn. 
> >> 
> >> It is not called the feast of trumpets, it is called Yom Teruah - 
> >> Teruah being the name of one of the sounds that the sofar makes. 
> >> 
> >> Shoshanna 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Everyone 
> >> 
> >> Todday is Feast of Trumpets, Happy Feast of Trumpets 
> >> Any one have any insight on this day? 
> >> Eva Ritsema 
> >> 
> > 
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On 9/26/06, kgraham0938 AT comcast.net wrote:
> y:ddab:rw lo 'eley gibborim.
> I have a couple question about this verse.
> 1) what does that little 's' mean in BHS under 'eley?  Does
> it mean alternaltive spelling?

It is a cantillation mark called a "darga".  See here:
http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~hr/teamim/tables.html#con21
http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~hr/teamim/
http://www.tiferethisrael.org/Resources/HaftarahTropes/HT_Trope9.htm

> 2) is 'eley the plural construct of 'EL(gods) or Ayil?( leader)

)eley is the plural of )el, here referencing a strong individual.

Yitzhak Sapir